RVD: Vince Ripped My Heart Out!

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First of a 2 part interview with Rob Van Dam.

Last time we spoke was in June 2006, just before the second WWE One Night Stand PPV. You were about to beat Cena for the title and ECW was being brought back full time. You were the happiest man I've ever seen! But how do you feel it panned out?

That was definitely a crowning moment in my career.

Not just because I had the gold, but because I changed the entire playing field to make that happen.

RVD wasn't going to be WWE champ, but I brought ECW back because that was my spirit and the spirit of the fans. I knew they wanted to see it and I was feeding off that energy.

Winning the world title meant a lot. It gave creditability to ECW. At least for the moment...so we thought!

But very shortly afterwards Vince McMahon's long-term plans started to unfold.

We were faced with the fact that he would give ECW no credit for anything up until that point and wanted to create this new brand of wrestling that would be a global product and mainstream in every way, with Extreme Rules only as a stipulation every once in a while.

Our hearts were ripped out of our chests and stomped on.

Vince said: "Nobody remembers the old ECW anyway, Rob. This is something new."

So it was a fun moment, it was short-lived and it's definitely gone now.

Did you have your doubts about the new ECW from the start?

When I first came up with the idea of One Night Stand, I never really thought about it being more than a single special night.

But since it was such a success they were talking about doing part two and then creating a third brand, ECW, to continue the momentum.

I first thought there was no way it was going to work. A lot of the original ECW wrestlers didn't wrestle anymore, were in horrible shape and some of them were dead.

Besides, the WWE introduced the ECW wrestlers that were left as heels. As if we didn't have enough problems swimming upstream they wanted me, Balls, Dreamer, Sandman and Sabu to do stupid stupid s*** like come out and attack John Cena.

They wanted to turn the fans against us, learn to hate us and then give us our own show!

But it was Paul Heyman who said: "What if we get the original players who can still wrestle and we recruit new young talent who could adapt to the Extreme style like Matt Striker."

I knew that Paul was great at making superstars out of wrestlers who are otherwise overlooked, capitalising on their strengths and hiding their weaknesses. If he likes somebody it means they have talent, whether WWE sees it or not.

At that point I thought if this was going to be anything goes — as WWE said it would be — and an Extreme alternative to Raw and Smackdown then it could be really cool and the preferred show for a lot of likeminded fans.

So I was really excited and got fully behind it.

How long did it take that dream to die? Do you remember when you lost faith?

I had some great matches with Test, Bob Holly and Big Show.

But almost right away they added "credibility" — as Vince put it — to the show, by adding rules.

So then it became that Extreme Rules would be one match out of the night, like a lottery drawing. It watered down the rest of the card.

I lost faith at a very precise moment, when I lost an argument with Vince over it.

I told him: "In ECW you have a product that is different, you should capitalise on that difference. That's why the fans like it and are attracted to it."

That's when Vince told me that nobody remembered the old ECW and he created this enthusiasm for this new ECW.

I said: "Wait a second, didn't we bring it back because of the success of the DVD and One Night Stand. Didn't that tell us there's a lot of support still."

He said: "Well Rob, there's a lot of support because they're watching WWE promote ECW. They weren't around back then. People grow up, have kids, things change."

I replied: "That doesn't make sense. Come on Vince, why do you think they chant 'ECW' when we're doing something out there."

He said: "Well, because I spent the last five years training them to chant 'ECW'. We've got to have credibility Rob and that means we have to listen to the referees."

I realised I can't tell Vince McMahon what is best for a global product. You have to dumb things down to hit the mainstream, and if you only target the **** then you're going to have a much smaller cult following. That wasn't what he wanted.

I even put it like that, and he agreed!

That was the moment I thought: "OK, bye bye old ECW. At least we still have the DVDs and the memories."

Despite hating the rules and the storylines, a lot of fans like myself stuck with ECW right up until the disastrous December to Dismember at the end of 2006. How bad was that PPV to be involved with?

It was funny, because in that period there were so many times Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu and myself would say: "OK, now ECW is really done."

One of the biggest moments we thought that was at Dismember to Dismember.

They beat RVD on that show because they knew I stood for that Extreme style and fought for it.

They wanted to squash that whole idea and make Bobby Lashley the new face of ECW.

That was a changeover moment where we all agreed: "If we thought ECW was dead before, then f*** that, it is definitely dead now."

What was Paul Heyman like at this point? Did he show his true feelings or try to keep everyone pumped up?

He was usually the first to really get angry.

When we brought ECW back as a brand, Paul would come out of the agents' and writers' meetings very sceptical.

Every week Paul would have a list of 15 things the others wanted to do that he would have problems with. Meeting after meeting after meeting, he would try and get it down to only three things that really bothered him that they would go ahead and do.

Part of his job was to hold on to the integrity of ECW and shoot down all these ridiculous ideas that they were always offering.

Eventually they won and when they did Paul was very offended.

He would come to work and just tell me how much disdain and loathing he had for Vince.

I remember him saying it was like Vince had **** his wife, because ECW was so close to his heart and Vince f***ed it.

He felt Vince enjoyed watching him suffer, while ripping apart the fabric of ECW week by week.

But Paul has no resentment now and no desire to get back at Vince. He has made balance and is in a peaceful stage, like I am.

It's just something we laugh about.

What do you think Vince's motivation was? A desire to destroy a previous competitor or just a truly held belief that his way is best? He even became ECW champion himself in April 2007.

I think it's both.

By wearing the ECW belt, that was definitely Vince saying: "I own ECW. I won!"

But in the long run he's a businessman and I don't think he wasted a bunch of money without thinking it was going to come back.

Then again, he's got the kind of money and hunger to conquer to do that if he wants to.

Do you even watch the ECW show anymore now you've left WWE?

I don't watch it but I'm sure I'm not missing much.

People do still talk to me about it, but mostly as if it's something going on that they don't know about.

I still have fans come up to me and say, "Rob, are you still with the ECW?"

ECW is like the b*****d stepchild and always has been.

COMING SATURDAY: ROB ON LEAVING WWE, HIS THOUGHTS ON TNA, WORKING FOR 1PW AND WHETHER HE'LL EVER WRESTLE FULL TIME AGAIN

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2722834/Exclusive-Rob-Van-Dam-interview-on-Vince-McMahon-and-the-death-of-ECW.html

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He's spot on with stuff, its a damn shame, if they'd kept faithful to the original it would have been a great alternative and broadened the companies landscape.

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Here is part 2 of the interview with Sunsport.

ROB VAN DAM has laid out the "diva" demands that WWE or TNA will need to fulfil if they want his services.

As he gets set to make his British return tonight for One Pro Wrestling at the Doncaster Dome, the ECW legend has admitted a full grappling comeback is a possibility.

In the second part of his exclusive interview with SunSport, RVD told us he would work for one of the big two promotions but only if they meet his terms of a relaxed schedule, big money and more creative freedom.

Rob also admits he stopped being a wrestling fan in 2001, when ECW folded, and has a sly dig at the way old rival Triple H goes about business.

Read the full chat below and click here for Part 1 and RVD's explosive thoughts on the death of ECW.

Rob, we earlier spoken at length about your frustrations with Vince McMahon's new vision for ECW. Was that why you decided to leave the WWE in June 2007?

That frustration, where I didn't even want to represent this new ECW, certainly led to me not enjoying being there any more.

I was burnt out on every level — mind, spirit and body.

Although physically I was still managing to hold up, I was so tired. They had me on the road so much and I was not enjoying my job. It felt so routine and I was starting to really hate the travel and resent that I was never home.

Also my contract promised me a month off, which I never got and really resented.

I had a couple of really long talks with Vince, both about the direction he was driving ECW in and about the fact I never had a break.

The result of one of those meetings was Vince turned to the office and said: "Rob should be getting time off."

I got one Saturday night off three months later!

Towards the end there they were double booking me — working afternoon and night time shows.

So when my contract was up, I had an exit.

I didn't quit, I finished my job and said: "I'm done. Thank you for the opportunity. I'll come back when, and if, I feel the desire."

So far it's been two and a half years and I'm nowhere near ready to go back to full-time wrestling.


So what have you been doing in the last two and a half years?

I've done my own reality show RVD TV — which you can watch at robvandam.com. We have over 100 episodes which are each 20-30 minutes long.

That has captured a lot of what I've been up to, including wrestling highlights and making a movie called Wrong Side Of Town with Batista.

It used to be membership based but now it's absolutely free.

But what I really like doing is staying home. I love California, I love being with my wife and my house has everything I need in it.

I hardly ever leave home.

What about wrestling — how active are you? I've seen you on indie shows and you've got this date in Doncaster.

Yes, I am still wrestling.

When I left WWE, I didn't care if I ever stepped foot in a ring again or got on another airplane.

About six or seven months later I got enticed to go to Portugal and wrestle.

That set my new standards and since then I've been wrestling for a very expensive fee, they have to fly my wife and myself business class and they have to meet my diva standards.

I also only wrestle internationally, other than one small domestic show I did as a favour to Booker T.

I'm not looking for bookings, I'm trying to stay home, but these good opportunities come through and entice me.

So I end up wrestling a few times a year. I think I've had about 35 matches this year.

I am really looking forward to the 1PW show at the Doncaster Dome. England is one of my favourite places to go and the fans are always very passionate.

The big question I know every RVD fan wants an answer to is this — will you ever go back and wrestle for WWE or TNA?

It's possible. Never say never.

I have been in communication with TNA recently. They did a PPV in Los Angeles and I went down and met them. I've talked to them over the phone since then.

I've also spoken to the other side, who don't seem to want me to talk to TNA!

But it's interesting times right now. I'm not looking for a position, but the business is trying to create a position for me.

I'm sitting here in the Vam Dam Dojo — my house of peace — and loving life.

Being on the road, dealing with the stress of all those egos and attitudes and people trying to take control of my image, is not very peaceful.

There's no way I'd come back on a full-time schedule, but if someone bends to meet my terms then it's possible just the right doorway may open and it may be a smart one for me to go through.

Both companies have their advantages.

TNA wrestle pretty much only in Florida, where my mum and dad live and is easy on the travel. Plus I'd be able to promote all my personal projects...very blatantly probably.

But in WWE, just because there is so much more exposure and prestige involved, it probably makes up for a lot of what would be advantageous in TNA.

Nobody ever considers that WWE would offer the same schedule as TNA do, but let's see if they want RVD badly enough.

Anything could happen.

I speak to a lot of people in TNA and the one thing everyone wants to see, from the workers to the office to the fans, is Rob Van Dam v AJ Styles. Is that something you want too?

I can tell you this — I don't sit at home and fantasise about matches with AJ Styles.

I am a professional when I get in the ring.

But as far as personal matches that go through my mind, and working with this guy or that guy, I don't give a f*** about that.


I know this is just an old school ECW fan dreaming, but what about if Paul Heyman gave you a call and said he wanted to do it all over again with a new federation? Would you come back for that — even if the travel and money weren't perfect?

I do talk to Paul a lot and we do chat about hypothetical situations and what's going on in our minds.

I will always be a soldier for Paul and always have interest in hearing anything that he's got to say.

If he asked me to do him a favour then of course I would.

But Paul also knows, if he wants to take me away from home, then just like the Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase everybody has their price.

If the original ECW had never folded and was still being run by Paul, do you think you'd be wrestling full time still today?

If the climb that we were on with ECW continued, with that enthusiasm and reward, then I would surf that uphill ride, I'm sure.

That would probably mean I was the champion and very well compensated. If I was the John Cena style poster boy and getting paid big money, but keeping my artistic freedom, I'd be a happy man.

Ultimately it is all about business for me.

I'm able to admit that quicker than most wrestlers, because I stopped being a fan around 2001.

You've made two appearances for WWE since you left. What were they all about? Was it a big pay day or you just wanting to give something back to the fans?

I did the Raw 15th anniversary show and also came back for the 2009 Royal Rumble as they were both win/win situations for me.

They were not so much about the single pay off, but more wanting to let WWE know that I'm doing fine without them financially — which I'm sure bothers them as they'd like me to be hungrier than I am.

I got to come in, produce at a top level, rock the whole industry and then walk out, shake hands and say "I'm going back home".

They asked: "Rob, are you ready to come back? Do you think you'll be ready by WrestleMania?"

I said: "No, not ready!"

To keep my value up in this way — or as the business falls down, actually raise my value — is good for me, good for the fans and good for the business.

What sort of shape are you in now? If you did return could you still perform like you did in those classic ECW matches with Sabu and Jerry Lynn?

What's important to me is that if I do make a comeback then it's got to have one hell of an impact on the wrestling business.

I've got my own gym I work out in almost every day with stretches, lifting and bags.

On the indies I've been wrestling 20-25 minutes and it's very much like ECW. I've been wrestling Sabu and Kid Kash and fighting through the crowd with chairs. I still do the moonsaults and flips to the ground.

I don't hold back and I don't want to slow down in front of people. I give the fans what they expect.

When it's time to go, it's time to go.

I'm the real deal. I'm not playing a character — I am Rob Van Dam all the way.

Finally Rob, the one thing that strongly comes across in the second part of this chat is you'd still be happy if you never wrestled again. What do you think it is that sets you apart from other ex-wrestlers who still live for that one last run?

I do admire that passion and that heart — the guys who will keep on wrestling until no one will book them any more and then hope to land a job as an agent or teaching at a wrestling school.

The No1 rule in any wrestling locker room that you don't want to break is to admit that someone loves the business more than you.

It's ridiculous. It's like high school.

You hear the wrestlers saying: "I love this business more than anybody else. Nobody loves this business more than I do."

That's the attitude we're supposed to always keep, that's what is pounded into us when we're at wrestling school.

But I've always been able to admit that these guys who will screw other people over, end other people's careers and relationships, cheat on their own relationships and secure themselves in through wedlock — people who will do things like that to advance their career — love the business way more than me.

I've always thought I could walk away if there was something else.

Maybe I would miss it, I do always enjoy being out in the ring and showing off.

But I would just have to find another outlet.

I'm a very happy and balanced man right now.

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what i would give to have RVD in TNA. they need to quit wasting money on guys like Lashley and throw it RVD's way.