TNA Impact Thread

[Izzy]

Jay Lethal is still going on about Rick Flair - we're up to 4 hours

Jesus Christ. Way to kill time.

Morgan is down for a 40 count from a Muscle Buster? Why not just have Orlando Jordan humilate him instead? Oh wait...they are doing that with Rob Terry....

..and why did Scott Hall get the belt instead of Eric Young?!

If Abyss goes in one more stupid angle I'm going to Florida with a hunting rifle and then it will come down to me or him.

Someone needs to get fired at TNA. I'm dangerously close to watching WWE again...

TNA=WCW2000

[Lineker10]

Few impact thoughts -

-Not buying EB as a face whatsoever - but mabye were not meant to?

-AJ seemed much more comftable on the mic this week

- Jay Lethal talking about how much he loved Flair went on faaaaaar to long. Why have they killed Black Machismo with no explanation - i have no idea whats going on with Lethal at the moment - is he Machismo, Flair or himself? The Flair talking to Machismo bit was gold though!

-Morgan was down for far too long with the muscle buster - Nash and Hall slowly walking to the ring might have been to get over the fact they were taking advangtage of the situation - but it made Morgan look weak for not recovring minutes after Joe hit him.

- Having Scott Hall anywhere near a title is a disasterous move

-Having ****, even a faked ****, as part of a storyline is a bad move. Too serious to be messed about with on a wrestling show.

-Why would LVE help out Abyss?

-What rank does Hogan hold in the Orlando PD that enables him to tell cops what to do?

-Pointless win for Kendrick - Williams wasnt even bothered he lost the match - does nothing for Kendrick, Kaz or Williams - so why?

-I actually quite like the cinema-style segments. Its different, looks good and if they keep doing it either as interviews or sneaky cameraman then its all good - stay away from the invisible cameraman.

-RVD doesnt look as good as i remember him being - hopefully its just ring rust.

-Stop going on about RVD smoking pot, everyone knows he does and it just makes TNA look amaeturish when people are constantly briging up the fact that the main champion is a huge stoner.

- Orlando Jordan needs to leave TNA - now! When people were chanting for him to leave - it wasnt leave the ring they were on about!


- Tomko needs to get back in shape....or just leave

-Now that TNA is not live, any kind of ranking system becomes a complete waste of time as it will always be out-of-date.

[Izzy]

RVD isn't what I remember either...

...but now I think about it, was he ever the equiv in techncial skill and high flying that MCMG are now?

He's been beaten at his own game - not least by AJ Styles?

Overall, Impact is just so badly booked - its as if they do the opposite of what common sense dictates they should do

Morgan exterminates a tag team and looks like an impresive monster - then Joe humiliates him?

They just keep getting the simple things wrong and that wrecks everything else

[D]

Lets dont go crazy. Rvd hasn't been topped by any of the guys u mentioned. I think TNA need to get rid of the damn ramp so guys have room to fly. RVD is smarter now as he is getting older about picking his spots to do high risk stuff. The guys u mentioned are a lot younger with way less wear and tear.

Don't agree with u guys about Morgan either. Setting up a Morgan vs Samoa Joe feud will be money and should be ratings gold, at the least we should see some very physical,compelling matchups.

This is the feud that catapults Morgan to that title level he is teetering on currently. Getting the titles off of him was smart so he can now start his world title chase.

I think u guys are putting TNA under too big of a microscope and finding every tiny flaw to magnify.

its wrestling, u can't go over it like u are examining a scholarly work of art or something.

[Lineker10]

Lets dont go crazy. Rvd hasn't been topped by any of the guys u mentioned. I think TNA need to get rid of the damn ramp so guys have room to fly. RVD is smarter now as he is getting older about picking his spots to do high risk stuff. The guys u mentioned are a lot younger with way less wear and tear.

Don't agree with u guys about Morgan either. Setting up a Morgan vs Samoa Joe feud will be money and should be ratings gold, at the least we should see some very physical,compelling matchups.

This is the feud that catapults Morgan to that title level he is teetering on currently. Getting the titles off of him was smart so he can now start his world title chase.

I think u guys are putting TNA under too big of a microscope and finding every tiny flaw to magnify.

its wrestling, u can't go over it like u are examining a scholarly work of art or something.

Thing with RVD is that he built his reputation on beng a high flyer and now hes 40 - he cant do that stuff so much anymore. Hopefully he can adapt like HBK did. Another thing is that he hasnt been in a major promotion for 3 years - thats got to take its toll. Hopefully these things will iron themselves out over time - i hope so.

As for Morgan/Joe - im not complaning about that fued, or even a Morgan title run, but having him be out longer than mid-carders are with the same move is poor - hitting one move on him, even a finisher - in todays day and age of kicking out of finishers, makes him look weak. Not good if your trying to push him as 7ft monster going after the title. What happens if Joe hits the muscle buster in a match with Morgan now? If he isnt out for ages or if he kicks out it will look stupid.

Obviously its easier to point out where there failing at TNA rather than the positives - but the negatives at TNA seem to be so much more glaring that id expect. Yeh - wrestling is wrestling, its full of shite storylines, stupid things and inconsistancies - but some of the errors really are basic. Plus, and i know alot of others feel this way aswell, when a promotion has storylines that dont make sense, reach the proper conclusion or are just dropped/changed with no explanation it damages the company. If you get people intrested in a storyline make sure its consistent and actually reaches a finishing point properly. Wrestlings an entertainment show - nodoby would want to watch a show or a movie with no ending, or that does get to the end but then makes no sense whatsoever.

Having said that - im still enjoying impact more than any single WWE show - mabye Smackdown is starting to get close, but not yet.

[D]

That's my point, u can't look at wrestling that way or u would never be able to enjoy it.

Remember when Mick Foley go thrown off the HIAC and finished the match?

Then a couple months later, he gets hit by a chair a few times and is stretchered out... see.. it makes no sense

or at WM someone will kick out of 5 finishers.. but then 3 weeks later on Raw get pinned by one finisher.

wrestling is meant for a short term memory and like horror movies u suspend disbelief.

Also maybe the band missed their cue.. i thought they should've had Morgan kick out and then get powerbombed or something. but when he and Joe face off, im not gonna even think about how long he layed down.

[Lineker10]

I agree with alot of what you have to say, of course trying to have complete consistancy is virtually impossible in wrestling. But you need to have a good chunk of it. Forgetting the odd thing is no problem. The problem is when your having to suspend not just your belief in it being real, but all logic aswell. Wrestling doesnt have to make sense all the time but it needs to try and be true to life as much as it can. Why they didnt just pick Morgan up and then do another move to seal the deal i dont know, it just makes it all abit too unbelivable in my eyes. Look at Swagger - when he won the title off Jericho in the same way - he did his move ontop of the spear Edge had inflicted. Small things like these do effect how people see your show. Just like when a wrestler hits someone and then acts like its hurt his hand - its no big deal, but it just makes it that little bit more true to life, that little bit easier to forget its all staged.

[D]

Oh yeah, i def agree with u on all of that.

The Abyss thing wasn't a **** or at least i didn't take it that way, more of an assault but i also do not like the Abyss ****. He is not a franchise player. He is more of a novelty **** wrestler.

[Izzy]

Morgan has really been damaged

WWF never did things like that - there was always a way to explain a defeat. As a much younger guy I didn't want to see my favourite get beaten - I think I genuinely believed Triple H was the best for many years.

It's all about the illusion - the magician doesn't suddenly announce how he's done it

every little detail helps or hinders the illusion.

Why couldn't Nash just have booted Morgan - infact if he'd taken a chokeslam or razers edge and kicked out before getting pinned he'd have come out of a defeat looking great. Simple things, basis of good wrestling

[Lineker10]

I agree Izzy if you have the band come down, make the pin, Morgan kicks out starts a fightback then is mauled by the numbers advantage and is only pinned after taking a Razors Edge/Piledriver/Chokeslam would have put him over big time. Say he takes the muscle buster - kicks out, takes the big boot - kicks out only to be finished with a chokeslam would make him look super strong - presumably what a 7ft monster is suposed to look like.

[Izzy]

It's so simple to get right

Wrestling can be so frustrating...

Suppose we should say that Joe is doing fine - though it's the 'oh no we wasted him, quick - reboot' thing again

[D]

Very proud of TNA last night.

Bischoff tweeted there will be tweeks, see if u notice


i did notice

MORE WRESTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last night's episode was really excellent

[Izzy]

They have Joe come out in a suit?!?!

His gimmick is that he's berserk and doesnt even seem to still work for TNA

...but here he is as the good corporate type

Fire Russo!

[Izzy]

The booking  and show in general was just so bad this week I just had to post a rant

The 'top 10 rankings' doesnt feature Matt Morgan?

The ranking is based on votes, wins and championships held - so Abyss is ahead of Joe? Anderson is ahead of anyone (no titles, virtually no wins)

We get OJ v Terry again in the same week? Terry is beaten by submission? What in the hell - this was supposed to be a monster push

Rayne v Roxxi - Rayne is already struggling for credibility and she loses clean straight after beating Tara?

Angle pulls out of the title scene for a ''greatest hits tour'' - some desperate attempt to give the rub to a legion of other guys. We've seen this before - hell, thats ALL Angle does: drag unconvincing challengers to glory

Sting as no.1 contender? The guy barely breaks a sweat in a match, he doesn't deserve it, and an old WWE guy v an old WCW guy - way to push TNA...

Bischoff called TNA - 'TNA Entertainment'

The contender from the X Division features everyone but the X Division champion?

Chelsea 'sold' to Abyss?! Diregarding the fact this has been illegal in American for more than a few years its just preposteroulsy stupid - she's not even a kayfabe TNA employee!!
 
Eric Young and the Band - they are ''brothers'' now?

Those **** STUPID backstage bits - they film one bit in one style and then another bit in another style but worse - its not even filmed at the right time, Jeff Hardy was applying different make up and last week RVD was talking about going into a match when the music in the background clearly wasn't his opponents!

TNA used to be sooo good....

[D]

They are really starting to find their stride

this weeks impact, once again excellent. more wrestling, less Hogan and Bischoff.