Creative don't like PG? Godfather Plans?

[James Lofton]

The gutter? We're talking about mature drama, well written, inovative and shocking on occaision. There are precious few 'PG' films that really make the grade. Great drama can't exist within a straightjacket - if an angle calls for 30 onscreen deaths u gotta be ready to do it. A feud that's settled by calling in the parents isn't going to wash....

But ur right about the NWO, who wasn't a
member?!

No one is saying parents need to be called in, but incest and sex story lines do not belong in wrestling, and neither does this **** and ass diva ****. If women are involved, just wrestle.

The 90s evolution in wrestling really changed peoples perceptions on what wrestling is supposed to be.

[Izzy]

Oh no, your one of them! In America people seem obsessed with sex as an evil thing, why is it an angle where triple h gets crushed in a car 'fun' but anything sexual is an affront to wrestling. I don't feel society will end if a young lady goes ****, people being struck with sledgehammers just might do it though. Wrestling is about violence, u breat ur opponent into unconciousness! U can't have a 'socially responsible' version, it will always be fairly low brow stuff.

[James Lofton]

Oh no, your one of them! In America people seem obsessed with sex as an evil thing, why is it an angle where triple h gets crushed in a car 'fun' but anything sexual is an affront to wrestling. I don't feel society will end if a young lady goes ****, people being struck with sledgehammers just might do it though. Wrestling is about violence, u breat ur opponent into unconciousness! U can't have a 'socially responsible' version, it will always be fairly low brow stuff.

I never said sex was evil. I said it has no place in professional wrestling. If I want sex, there are other avenues to travel down to get it. People don't need to turn on the tv to watch wrestling if thats what they want.

I wouldn't classify Triple H getting crushed by a car as "fun". I'd classify it as stupid, and something else that should be removed from the equation.

Wrestling has strayed so far from its roots I'm amazed they are even able to call it wrestling without getting sued for false advertisement. This debate is moot though. Vince won. Non wrestling programming won. So you get to drown in 90-100 minutes of bullshit promos and skits in a 120 minute program, yet still call it wrestling.

Hooray for wrestling fans. 

[Hammy]

Do they still call it wrestling?

I thought it was "Sports Entertainment" involving "Superstars" in the "WWE Universe" (Although admittedly that is World WRESTLING Entertainment) but that is sneaked in there, its a second thought.

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Wasn't there a brief period when the announcers referred to the wrestlers as 'entertainers'??

[D]

I watch wrestling for "Wrestling" and a few skits here and there

the 3 minute match sucks though

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I suppose it's easy for us to sit here and say what we'd like from the WWE, but I guess getting the balance of wrestling/entertainment/comedy etc. isn't as straightforward as we might think. What do the majority of people want? Will too much wrestling and too few comedy moments bore people? Do most viewers prefer actual wrestling to 'entertainment'? How many skits/segments is too much in one show? How old on average are the viewers? Are you gonna lose lots of kids, who may not be allowed to watch the show, if you stop being PG? Will that matter?? Lots of things to consider....

Hopefully they find something that works somehwere down the line....

[slashsfro]

Wrestling has strayed so far from its roots I'm amazed they are even able to call it wrestling without getting sued for false advertisement. This debate is moot though. Vince won. Non wrestling programming won. So you get to drown in 90-100 minutes of bullshit promos and skits in a 120 minute program, yet still call it wrestling.

Hooray for wrestling fans.

That's why I don't watch Raw as much anymore.  There's just too much junk too wade through to get to the good parts.  I'd watch Smackdown more but its on at a time when I'm sleeping and I catch most of it online.  I watch most of the PPV though because that is the one event where you are guaranteed wrestling for say at least 2 hours.

Some of the skits they used are pointless and offensive though.  Anyone remember Mae Young giving birth to a plastic hand?  I didn't find that entertaining at all.  I don't mind some of the comedy moments but when it takes up time that could be used in actual match then I get irked.

I find some of the raw guys lacking in promo skills too.  Cena often resorts to cheap jokes in his promos.  Orton has this awful monotone in his voice that puts me to sleep.  Triple H is okay I guess although he uses the phrase "the best in this industry" a bit too much.  Shawn Michaels is the best on the RAW side and he's been on sabbatical since Wrestlemania.

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^When he's being serious, I think Cena can give a really good promo. I can buy what's he's saying. Though he needs to stop saying that every match he has with HHH will be one of the greatest matches ever.

[Hammy]

I suppose it's easy for us to sit here and say what we'd like from the WWE, but I guess getting the balance of wrestling/entertainment/comedy etc. isn't as straightforward as we might think. What do the majority of people want? Will too much wrestling and too few comedy moments bore people? Do most viewers prefer actual wrestling to 'entertainment'? How many skits/segments is too much in one show? How old on average are the viewers? Are you gonna lose lots of kids, who may not be allowed to watch the show, if you stop being PG? Will that matter?? Lots of things to consider....

Hopefully they find something that works somehwere down the line....

If most viewers preferred actual wrestling to entertainment ROH would be #1.  I think people like a balance, people want good production, larger than life characters, goofy storylines and some holy **** spots as well as splatterings of good wrestling here and there.  Anyone who watches wrestling simply for the matches and nothing else (as in don't care about the characters, skits or anything else) should just watch wrestling in Japan or something, the more match based promotions.

I'll be the first to admit I like skits, just the right kind, and with many its just personal taste, I mean heck I enjoy Cryme Tyme's "Word Up" w/ Slam Master J.  I also like the early Nitro shows where there are virtually not backstage skits, all storylines are advanced ringside on the whole, it has a more real feel.  You can enjoy a show like Superstars with very little backstage stuff because you are seeing characters you have already connected with, guys with personality, it's strange with ROH, maybe it I just didn't wait long enough to connect with the wrestlers but after a few shows I was bored.  The matches were very good, you couldn't fault the movesets but something for me wasn't quite right, maybe the cheap indie vibe or something I don't know, but their in-ring product was much more thanTNA and WWE's, more moves, more hard hitting, more technical yet more high flying, they cover all the basis, yet its not the complete product, people want their polished product on the whole.

As for who WWE caters to as mentioned Attitude Era covered kids, women, young blokes 18-35 and all that.  Now its more kids and women with less of the 18-35 who are turning to MMA.  Thing I've noticed like you highlighted, we sit here, and heck we forget about people outside the IWC Smark boards.  Since I've been promoting us on twitter (by getting followers from the WWE page...) I've noticed endless "Can't wait 'til RAW", "RAW was great" etc. and so on messages, there are loads of people loving it and sometimes I think its an age thing.

I mean take Lofton, Lofton seems to be "That 80s guy", then you get a bunch of us who are those "Attitude Era Kids" yet if I'm right, you aren't much of a fan are you Lofton?  Then we have the "WWE Universe" generation, maybe we are too old for this and we can only great true wrestling pleasure from watching the eras we grew up we and loved.  I can watching any 90s stuff and generally love it, whereas today, I rarely get the "Buzz".  I mean I enjoy Smackdown, ECW and Superstars, in recent months its been the best wrestling television I've seen in years, but I think for me I'm yet to get that "Buzz" back that I had back in the day, I question whether its an age thing or whether we may be on the verge of getting that "Buzz" back now WWE is finally trying to create some quality young stars such as Morrison and Ziggler.

I think if you tried to seperate eras.  Attitude Era was BRAND NEW never before seen for mainstream audiences, the **** stuff combined with the car crash tv, most mainstream audiences hadn't seen ECW so it was fresh and completely different to the late 80s/early 90s Hogan fronted product and the kiddie era of 1993-1996.  You take todays products and it seems to have aspects of all the prior eras, the matches in many cases are a mixture of the 80s style with a modern edge, the storylines are a PG version of Attitude Era storylines, fact is though there is nothing NEW.

As for the "PG" thing and relating it solely to the Attitude Era, there were some classic storylines back in the day which probably wouldn't happen now because of the PGness of it all, for instance Savage vs. Roberts complete with the snake biting incident which is a classic.

[More Cowbell]

Anyone else think that maybe with 3 brands that they could of made a brand for adults, more adult segments and vulgar language. They could of made ecw more adult orientetr and just tape it after raw or sd and let it be known if you are not down with the ecw adult orientated show don't stick around for the tapings. I think a more adult ventured league is what we all seek wether it be with lots of wrestling or skits I am just getting too old (27) to listen to two grown men threaten to kick each others butt. I never say I'm going to kick butt. U **** me of and I'm going to beat your ass and that's the attitude I want in my brand

[Hammy]

Anyone else think that maybe with 3 brands that they could of made a brand for adults, more adult segments and vulgar language. They could of made ecw more adult orientetr and just tape it after raw or sd and let it be known if you are not down with the ecw adult orientated show don't stick around for the tapings. I think a more adult ventured league is what we all seek wether it be with lots of wrestling or skits I am just getting too old (27) to listen to two grown men threaten to kick each others butt. I never say I'm going to kick butt. U **** me of and I'm going to beat your ass and that's the attitude I want in my brand

Yeah but "Beat your ass" just sounds like you are catering to the gay market. 

Having a cool, adult, attitude era brand would not go down well because, all the kids would think its cool, the adults would to and everyone would flock to it and the other shows with the headliners would pale in comparison.

Oh and isn't Linda doing something with kids (legal of course) or something where they think she needs a PG company to come off looking alright, I forget the story (clearly).

[D]

The biggest problem in WWE is, most of the matches mean absolutely jack ****

why do I give a **** if Kofi Kingston beats The Big Show?

What does it lead to? Is Kofi going to get a title shot?

they have no plan and no focus. U have the Orton/HHH thing..... seems like it was 20 years ago when HHH broke into his home or Orton DDT and kissed steph...... I mean these guys should try to **** KILL each other and they don't have the intensity one would if this **** actually happened.

A Guy DDTed and kissed your wife in front of u..... I don't know it sucks

then the rest of the matches.... the MVP/Swagger feud has a great thing going but ****, they will wrestle 235 times on TV before the PPV.

Why do I want to see Goldust and Hornswoggle wrestle Regal and somebody?

Who gives a ****, it means nothing.

[D]

Oh yeah and can someone tell me ONE reason why any of the Diva's wrestle each other?

is there any kind of feud whatsoever or storyline?

Hell in TNA u got the tarantula thing, the beautiful people talkin **** about the not so beautiful. U got Daffney's crazy ass.

[Hammy]

What's wrong with wanting to be....Champion?

I remember a time when it was about the titles.

Kofi Kingston wants to beat Big Show because he wants to be one of the greatest US Champions ever.  That works for me.

Mickie James and Maryse are feuding over the Divas Title.  Maryse is scared of Mickie, she has interfered in #1 Contender matches to stop her getting a title shot before, and been pinned by her in tag and non-title bouts so she knows she has her number.

And the, my name is Tara, its short for Tarantula....  End of the day its about the belt, they just have goofy props.  Tara is channeling the spirit of Jake "The Snake" Roberts with the creature feature aspect, while Maryse is going down the Rick "The Model" Martel route with the spraying someone in the face to blind them, Martel used his perfume Arrogance while Maryse uses Hairspray I do believe and as it happens Jake Roberts was blinded by Rick Martel back in the day (That was like 6 degrees of seperation there...connecting them all up like that  )