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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #165 on: January 06, 2010, 06:17:13 pm »
I think u are missing what people are saying dude

they get a 1.0 on Thursday's unopposed... which means u factor in WWE fans probably watch on Thursdays thus allowing them to get a 1.0

so going head to head with WWE, many felt those that watch both shows which help TNA get a 1.0 would watch WWE therefore TNA would drop considerably.

The fact they kept their 1 and gained 50 percent viewership against WWE and a Fiesta Bowl College Football game is HUGE.

I said certain segments may reach low 2's and they came damn close.
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #166 on: January 06, 2010, 08:20:55 pm »
I think u are missing what people are saying dude

they get a 1.0 on Thursday's unopposed... which means u factor in WWE fans probably watch on Thursdays thus allowing them to get a 1.0

so going head to head with WWE, many felt those that watch both shows which help TNA get a 1.0 would watch WWE therefore TNA would drop considerably.

The fact they kept their 1 and gained 50 percent viewership against WWE and a Fiesta Bowl College Football game is HUGE.

I said certain segments may reach low 2's and they came damn close.

No i get it. I don't know what a Fiesta Bowl is mind.... But most people i talked to about it seemed to be suggesting they might do a 1.3 to 1.7 due to the manic promotion and advertising they have been doing.

I'm pretty sure that Bret Hart took some of that away.

What i'm saying is that despite it being a good rating. If you had said TNA will get a 1.5 before the show.... no one including yourself would of said "Thats incredible". Was i the only person that expected a fair rise. People assume that loads of WWE fans just watched TNA but i always thought the majority of the rise would probally come from people who don't watch wrestling much anymore and were given TNA a whirl and you have to remember the fact that its live brings more viewers alone as its the quickest form of the results. When you have spoliers some people don't watch or record it so they can skim.... Live is a different kettle of fish. Yes its good and i don't wanna make it sound like they haven't done well, coz the show was good (another 50% viewers) and its a good platform for progress but people are acting shocked by the number as if there was no way which 1.5 was could happen, which i think is a little bit odd considering:



I say Raw does a 4.8, TNA does a solid 2.2

Nothing about some segments there dude!

1.6

I think it should get slightly higher then normal as all normal TNA fans will be watching it plus others who are aware of it, It shouldn't do double the ratings though, I can see the 1.5-1.8 as a 20-30% increase in ratings seems possible.

I would love to be wrong but I think TNA will do a 1.4 for this show. That would probably be their highest rating ever but they are still going up against RAW,not ECW and you can bet Vince will pull out all the stops.

All i'm saying is that i reckon Dixie Carter would have been disapointed with 1.1 (thats their Average) given the advertising and build up and i reckon she might have set 1.4 to 1.6 as a target. Of course she is gonna come out and sound like it unbelieveable. Whats she gonna say "Well we scored 1.5.... thought that might happen". Everyone in TNA is on a charm offensive and rightly so. Making it sound like they exceeded expectations is good for business.

Maybe i'm wrong but by reading reports and this board the general consensus seemed to be that TNA had a shot at anything between 1.2 and 1.7.

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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #167 on: January 07, 2010, 08:46:18 am »
The John Report: Ten Thoughts on TNA Impact 01/04/10

Remember my ill fated attempts to write about Impact in a "five thoughts" kind of format? I did it for a few weeks, then I kinda gave up. I really didn't feel motivated to do it in December considering the Hogan news had come. It was all about January 4th, so as promised here I am. For this three hour show I'll go with the "ten thoughts" instead. There are already spoilers out for the show on January 14th, but I've yet to read them. I'm just going based on what I saw on Monday. I'll try to go in order from the start of the show to the finish.

1. During the first match, which was not a great showcase of the young talent as Homicide was climbing the structure for over a minute, we saw Jeff Hardy appear. Later, we saw him with Shannon Moore holding some envelope. The idea is that it's a contract. It was pretty shocking. From what I had read, Hardy had verbally agreed to come back to WWE at around WrestleMania time. Now there are questions of if he failed a third drug test. I'm not sure yet. The news is still trickling out. In terms of on screen, I think TNA has to use him as a top guy or near the level of the top guys. He was the best babyface in wrestling in 2009 and he doesn't have bad matches. Hopefully they use him right. As a fan I'd rather see him in WWE. They used him the right way the last couple of years and he thrived. In TNA I don't know if they will do that. I'll be watching, though.

Regarding the drug policy, TNA does have drug testing. Bryan Alvarez wrote in a recent issue of Figure Four Weekly that a TNA wrestler told him he failed a drug test, was told he failed a drug test by management and nothing came of it. They don't have any way to punish you. In WWE they do. They didn't before, but they have since they introduced the Wellness Policy. In TNA you get paid less, you work less and you travel less, but you also don't have to worry about drug testing. I think that's a big reason why Jeff's there. I'm not saying he has a drug problem. I don't have that info. I'm not about to pretend like I do. Lots of people use drugs that don't have a problem. Same with alcohol and gambling. It's just that if he works there he won't have the deal with the ramifications of his usage. TNA should be ashamed of themselves for not incorporating a good drug testing policy in a business that has seen far too many people die at a young age. Doing drug tests and not having any kind of policy after somebody fails is like letting somebody drive through a red light, seeing them do it and not punishing them in any way. Somebody could get hurt if that action is repeated. In the wrestling business, the action has been repeated far too often. It's 2010. You should know better, TNA.

2. I thought there were far too many "what is he doing here?" type of scenes backstage. We get it, people walk backstage. They even cut away from some matches to show somebody watching backstage. I understand the point of it was to give us the idea that "anything can happen" and they did a good job of that, but it felt like it was a little too much. "It's Ric Flair he's here! What's Hall and Waltman doing here? Foley can't get in! Jeff Jarrett's here! The Nasty Boys are here! Orlando Jordan! Val Venis except we can't call him that" Shut up already. And they ask why is Sting there? Because he works there. It's his job. Been there for years. He's in his 50s. Get down from there, old man. You might break a hip. This stuff was really annoying. Way too much of it.

3. The first hour wasn't very good. I also thought the idea of Hulk Hogan, the face of the company that has said in interviews that he's the booker, not being at the show till 50 minutes after it begun was lame. And with a police escort no less! That made me laugh. A police escort going to a theme park. Better watch out. Maybe his son Nick was driving the car? He tends to attract cops. What's even greater is that during his promo in the ring, Hogan said he was in the back all day. Um, we just saw you in a limo "arriving" to the show. You know why? Because the announcers said it every ten seconds. The whole thing was cheesy. They could have had an interviewer standing outside of his locker room reporting that Hogan's about to address the world. Then again, it's Hogan. It's not a surprise that he would do something to kiss his own ass. He's the master of that.

4. The Hogan promo at the start of hour two was a good "this is who we are" type of promo. As I touch on in the next point, his message about being a wrestling show rather than a sideshow like Raw sometimes didn't work considering the lack of actual wrestling. I wasn't a big fan of the nWo reunion with Hall, Nash, Waltman and Bischoff in there with Hulk. All they ever seem to mention is changing the business, but they don't seem to mention how their egos got so big that they killed a promotion because of it. It's easy to remember the past, but it's even easier to forget the past. Also, Scott Hall shouldn't be a wrestler anymore. He doesn't look like a wrestler. He looks like a guy in his 50s that should be helping the younger wrestlers. Please don't push him. By the way Hulk, you are the Vince McMahon of TNA since you bought your daughter a nice set of chesticles just like Vince got his. Classy.

5. There was far too much "we are about wrestling, this is what we do" talk, yet if you watched the show it seemed like all they were doing was talking or going nuts about "new" people. Every time I flipped over from Raw it was somebody cutting a promo or doing something backstage. Instead of focusing on the young talent that you are harping about being so great (Joe, Morgan, Hernandez, Pope, Wolfe, Lethal, Consequences, etc.), why don't you actually focus on them? Chris Daniels, the number one contender for the World Title a couple weeks ago, was on for maybe 10 seconds. In a three hour show. The guy's been there for seven years. I'm really worried about what's going to happen to these midcard wrestlers that deserve pushes that are probably going to suffer due to Hogan's boys being on the show. The Nasty Boys? No. What a turn off. They weren't even good in their prime, yet they'll probably be beating Beer Money in a few weeks. By the way, the company that promotes wrestling as opposed to skits had 6 matches run a total of 25 minutes aside from the main event. That doesn't feel like an alternative to me. It feels like Raw.

6. What do I think about Ric Flair joining TNA? I think after seeing all the women that work for the company he's probably due for his fourth divorce in the next few months. I don't mind if he wants to wrestle again. I never believe wrestling retirements anyway. What else is the guy gonna do? He nearly went bankrupt due to not saving his money, he reportedly pays $125,000 per month total to two ex-wives (that's $1.5 million in a year) and he could use the work. Good for him. I think he'll wrestle, but I hope it's more of a special appearance on a PPV rather than a regular thing.

7. I thought they did a good job in promoting the women of the company, which have become a draw for them. The Knockout Tag Title match was better than any woman's tag you'll see in WWE because they actually got more than three minutes. They did have a few botched moments, but I'm generally a big fan of Kong, Hamada, Sarita & Taylor Wilde. I especially like Sarita. Great athlete…Not sure why ODB/Tara only got two minutes. Funny because ODB's been doing promos about how "up north" (that's WWE) they have diva matches in skimpy outfits, yet here they had a two minute match while showing lots of boob and ass. Tara, you have a phenomenal ass by the way. Phenomenal everything, really…The Beautiful People playing poker was pretty lame. I guess it was their way to introduce Sean Morley (aka Val Venis), but some of the dialogue was really bad. Even Velvet Sky-Canton's (yeah I said it) ass couldn't save it.

8. My favorite person in TNA other than Angle and Styles is Samoa Joe, yet I hate how he's being used. The guy should either be a heel monster that nobody can slow down or the babyface that is unstoppable like he was in his first year or two with the company. What is he now? A guy that has to cheat to beat Abyss in five minutes? Weak. Use Joe better. The last year in TNA he hasn't been booked properly. The heel turn didn't really work. Now he's just another guy instead of being a top guy like he should be. And I miss those "Joe's gonna kill you" chants too. Now he's not going to kill me. He's going to barely win a match by cheating like every other chickenshit heel in the history of wrestling. It's not the same.

9. I understand showing Dixie Carter all night, but she was on at least 15 times and I never got the sense of why. Her facial expressions ranged from content to confused to having a "I really bought this company?" look. Either she's a really bad actress or she had no idea they would shoot her so many times in the show. Was she angry about Hogan? Was she angry about Jeff Jarrett? I have no idea. She's the owner and I understand mentioning her. I'm not a Dixie Carter basher. I like her. Think she's smart. It's nice to know she cares so much about the company. However, if you're not going to add anything to the stories being told on camera then stay behind the scenes. That's all.

10. The best part of the show was the Angle/Styles main event. They're the two best workers in TNA and I'm glad that they were smart enough to give them 25 minutes on free TV. I think it was one of those matches that was very good in the time it was given, but could have been better if it was at about 17 minutes just because they did the finishing sequence for too long. There were too many long two counts or submission attempts. They tired the crowd out. I still rated it at ****1/4 and I look forward to watching it again. I'm amazed at how great Kurt Angle still is despite all his injuries. He's a little nuts, but the guy's a warrior. Styles is fantastic too. One of my dream matches is Styles vs. Michaels. We'll probably never see it, though. I'll never complain about Styles vs. Angle. I could watch them every week, no problem.

5.5 out of 10

I'll give it a barely above average rating. I enjoyed watching it, but it's far from perfect. TNA should be happy with the 1.5 average rating they got. They average about a 1.1 on Thursdays, so to get a 50% increase like they did is great. More people watched TNA on January 4th, 2010 than ever before. The 1.8 peak rating for the Hogan promo is a very good number. I'm happy for the company. The wrestlers have worked so hard and it's paying off. I didn't love everything on the show, but it's a three hour show with a new booking team. There are going to be hiccups. Good first effort. I look forward to more and I hope the ratings go up for the first Thursday show with the new regime on January 14 (Jan. 7 is a replay of Jan. 4). That's going to be key for them. And I look forward to the next "Monday night war" in a few months, whenever that is.

I know I didn't mention the Mick Foley stuff. It was time filler. All that time so he could get beat up by a fat old guy like Scott Hall and a small guy like Sean Waltman. Not effective.

On the plus side? Hey, at least there were no midgets



I have to say i think some of thats a little harsh. However some interesting points... especially interesting about the lack of a drug policy!
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #168 on: January 07, 2010, 08:55:51 am »
Wow looks like they are actually gonna let this Hall-Nash-Waltman thing happen. God i hope Beer Money destroy them!

Tell me they are not bringing back the Nasty Boys for good? thats a joke.

Wolfe beats Joe Clean..... WTF. What have they done to Joe?

Just seems that everyone is getting beaten up!

If i was part of the TNA locker room i'd buy a mask and attack the champion for a few weeks... coz thats how you get a title shot! haha

Good to see Angelina Love back... always enjoyed her.

Generation Me vs MCMG could a worth a watch.
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #169 on: January 07, 2010, 12:42:30 pm »
So he didn't like Raw or Impact?

It's going to take time for changes to filter through - impact was about all these fan favourites showing up, not about wrestling. Maybe that's a shame but if u have 5 mins to win a jaded WWE fan you'll do that better with Scott Hall than superb mat wrestling. I started watching TNA for Kurt Angle and stayed for the x division

once you have peoples attention u keep it with matches - jan 4th was only the start, a classic iron man match would have thrilled us die hards but this was all about new fans


 
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #170 on: January 07, 2010, 12:52:48 pm »

But thats just Izzy being negative so he can be happy when they do better. And Lance Storm is canadian.... in Canada they all watched Bret. TNA probaly did 0.1 in Canada! haha.


hey!

I was expecting a classic RAW armed with a superstar and WWE throwing all they had at TNA

In the end WWE promoted Matel toys, rehashed the same 'Jericho must leave RAW' angle from last week, featured awkward hugging and had a diva title tournament

not exactly Vince going all out

I hadn't realised the extent of dissatisfaction with WWE - TNA increased it's audience by 50% and RAW failed to hit a 4 as expected
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #171 on: January 07, 2010, 01:44:45 pm »
With Bret and Hogan on at the same time this was always gonna happend.

I'm not sure why they thought they would do a 4.0 or better as they have only had 6 4+ratings in the last 2 years so why would you get one when TNA has a supershow on!

Yeah they had Bret but TNA had Hogan and the promise of suprises everywhere and started an hour earlier. If TNA wasn't on i have no doubt WWE would have done a 4+ but what could they have done without Bret? who knows but if i was WWE i wouldn't be too worried by the situation. If TNA moves permenantley to Monday and keeps getting 1.5 to 2.0 then you'd have to start to pick it up.

But the fact of the matter is despite TNA doing well... on these ratings WWE didn't seem to lose any fans.
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #172 on: January 07, 2010, 01:50:52 pm »
I started watching TNA for Kurt Angle and stayed for the x division



Funny i watched for the X-Divsion and left coz of the main event.... haha. Having said that those X-Divison guys that i used to watch are now the main event guys.

I think the above report was harsh.... but i agree about the drug policy and the fear for people like Daniels and other Midcard talent with people like Nasty Boys & Scott Hall back.

Scott Hall is just aweful IMO. It actually makes me horrified to watch it. TNA has so much going for it... so i really hope for all this talk of changes its real and not just propaganda to create WCW MK II.

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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #173 on: January 07, 2010, 05:12:54 pm »
Whoever wrote that **** is a **** IDIOT and shouldn't be allowed to ever have a wrestling blog

Hogan didn't show up cause he was going head to head with WWE u stupid ****.

God, it drives me nuts when **** Smarks think they know it all and come off like complete retards

Sting in the rafters is called building suspense and drama.. will he let the same people take control of TNA kinda thing.. its cool and mysterious.

This guy who wrote this sucks and his article is a -5 out of 10

people like this should just stop **** watching wrestling and take up a new hobby.

Wrestlers are independent contractors. If Chris Benoit hadn't murdered his family and Eddie Guerrero didn't drop dead, WWE never would've either.
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #174 on: January 07, 2010, 09:53:50 pm »
TNA's Hulk Hogan called into the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show this morning and of course talked about Monday's live iMPACT! Visit BTLS.com for more on Bubba's show. Here are some highlights:

Steel Cage Asylum Match: Hulk and Bubba talked about the Steel Cage Assylum match that opened the show, which they both agreed was a disaster. Hulk said that when he and Bubba were in the production meeting on Sunday, about 10 people told him there was a decent door to the cage. He then got to the iMPACT! Zone on Monday and found out it had no real door and that none of the wrestlers could climb out of the top, hence the DQ finish. There were plans for a big bump off the cage but it just was not possible. He and Bubba agreed that the Steel Cage Assylum needs to be scraped for good.

iMPACT! Moving To Mondays: Hulk says they have kinda dropped the ball by taping a Thursday show the day after going live and that right after he hangs up with Bubba he is gonna call Dixie Carter, Eric Bischoff and the people at Spike and tell them that they need to be on Mondays live from now on. He says he knows that it will cost a ton of money but you gotta spend money to make money. Hulk says that he will get Vince's audience a bit at a time just like he did in WCW.

They also talked about planned upgrades to the iMPACT! zone, "making nice" with the Bubba listeners who were denied entry to iMPACT! and Hogan's divorce


I admire the guts to admit the S.A. was a disaster and not very well thought out. Like i mentioned in previous posts... It did seem a bit thrown together and is nowhere near the polished production WWE has. If TNA can do that then that will help TNA big time.

But its good that Hogan is willing to admit it and i think thats a good thing for TNA as well as Moving to monday night.
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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #175 on: January 07, 2010, 11:48:21 pm »
Great to see him being so honest about the broadcast, so far his efforts with the company have really impressed me.

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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #176 on: January 07, 2010, 11:51:07 pm »
I didn't think the dude was that harsh, yes its smarky but drug testing is a must, and even without those 2 deaths its been a must for years without a doubt.

Don't forget this dude said he enjoyed watching it and looks forward to the "Monday Night War".

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« Reply #177 on: January 08, 2010, 12:15:04 am »
Previous asylum matches had been great and the concept was so new - scrapping it is a disaster

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« Reply #178 on: January 08, 2010, 10:57:20 am »
anyone who doesn't understand why Hogan waited till 9 to come on has no place coming off as some sort of wrestling expert.

Maybe Jeff Hardy just got sick of WWE and wants to help out the little guy? I hate all the bullshit accusations levied towards Jeff.. With he going to court, he is probably being drug tested and would be a fool to do anything this close to going to trial.

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Re: TNA Impact Thread
« Reply #179 on: January 08, 2010, 12:47:36 pm »
I don't think TNA needs or should have a drug policy

if ur current employer wanted ur blood u would tell them to **** off - what u do in ur own home is your business

the issue is that WWE wants huge guys and buries smaller people thus forcing u to take steroids. Would Batista and Cena be main eventing if they looked...human?

Look at Show, Kane, Taker and Khali - Vince loves the freaks, if u don't have height then 45 inch guns are the next best thing...

WWE drove people to their deaths - as a wrestler u don't just have a choice of finding another wrestling company to make money at...

TNA however had Daniels and Styles (small in build and height) in their last main event. Abyss and Foley (and Joe) carry more fat than us combined - all pushed

Sting looks weaker than me - pushed

TNA doesn't give the push to the juggernaughts - the gun to the head to do drugs isn't there so a drug policy is not needed

people need to remember that wrestling = long term injury. The body can't take a bump whether u practice or use a mat - it damages u, it's not just a chair **** that messes u up - the jarring effect alone will screw with ur brain. This health and safety stuff needs to be kept in check or u have guys doing nothing but clotheslines...
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