Author Topic: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?  (Read 1894 times)

Offline Gnrfan

  • Moderator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1037
  • Hey i've won it all
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2009, 03:25:54 pm »
For TNA to challenge WWE you need to focus on what got many watching TNA to start with

Quality Wrestling Matches and Quality Promos!

Nash, Steiner, Foley.... Out! Get rid of the stupid Legends title. Introduce a title that is aimed at non-Xdivision types that have potential like Matt Morgan. I think thats something that TNA really needs. I mean Matt Morgan can't be the legends champion but could do with being a champion of some sort.

AJ Styles to have a 6 month minimum title run. Copy the Goldberg plan..... i.e. A supertstar going on a undeafeated streak going through the ranks.

Stables that are not just full of names i.e. one established star another singles star with potential and a exciting Tag Team. I'd love to see something like Styles, Kennedy, Lashley & MCMG as a face stable vs A heel stable like Angle, Joe, Booker T, Matt Morgan, Abyss (or another monster type) & "A Young Heel Tag Team"

Sign guys like RVD & Kennedy not Mick Foley.
This is how it works, You're young until you're not
You love until you don't, You try until you can't
You laugh until you cry, You cry until you laugh
And everyone must breathe, Until their dying breath

"Give Youth A Chance"

Offline Izzy

  • nWo
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1128
  • Quick! To the bandwagon!
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2009, 04:36:07 pm »
Steiner rocks!

The Legends title is for those falling between the X division and Heavyweight scene - Morgan would be perfect for it. The name is...misleading, but all the other title names have been taken between TNA and WWE...
A nobody's opinion on the world of cinema
http://whogoestheremovieops.wordpress.com/

Offline scotta75

  • Matt Hardy
  • ***
  • Posts: 224
  • Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
    • View Profile
    • Hi No Tori Fansubs
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2009, 05:58:13 pm »
Guys it is not about signing new talent or bring in proven talent it is all about great booking and awesome matches! Which TNA has gotten away from the TNA behind the scene people have forgotten what made them special from the WWE, and that is fresh young talent that no one has never seen. Before TNA came about no one new of Styles or Daniels or even Samoa Joe unless you was watching ROH you would not know who these dudes were until TNA was form.

   Do not get me wrong there is nothing wrong with using proven talent but at some point you have to let the younger talent prove their selves at some point. That is why I like Japanese Wrestling or Puro their formula is simple use the proven talent to help bring up the younger talent and make the younger talent into the next big star for the company.  TNA needs to do that let Kurt Angle and Main Event Mafia build up the younger talent. I would suggest cutting Joe from the main event mafia and let him feud with Angle because Joe can only make his self even more better having him go over on Angle and win the TNA title.  Next I would drop the Legends title and bring out a North America Title or Arena Title or something that could be use to help bring up the younger talent. The next thing I would do is build a working agreement with New Japan Wrestling or All Japan Pro Wrestling, or even Dragon Gate to bring in fresh young talent from Japan it work for WCW and it would work for TNA.  The next thing I would do is slowly start fading out the useless wrestlers on the roster and stock the roster with talent that can be used at anytime for any storyline. The next thing I would do is not sign the WWE leftover, I am sorry for all you guys who say RVD and Ken Kenndy or Elji Burke are good fit for TNA I would have to disagree with you because bring those guys in only pushes your talent like Styles, Joe, and Daniels down the roster.

  Case in point when Kurt Angle came to TNA look what happen to Samoa Joe, he went from TNA World Heavyweight Champion to mid carder in less than 3 months.  Proven talent can do one of three things it can help make the show better, or it can make the show worst or it can be use to bring up the younger talent. I am sad to say that it has only done one thing and that is make the show worst. TNA should focus on making it's on superstars instead of using Angle, Nash, Stiener, Booker T, Foley, and Sting. Yeah having those future hall of fame wrestlers on your roster makes for good tv rating but it kills your fans base because they will get tired of seeing the same tired old wrestlers wrestling on the main event and the wordl title.

Here is what I would do if I was booking for TNA, I would kick Somoa Joe out of the MEM and then I would put him in a six month feud with Kurt Angle for the TNA World Heavyweight title, I would let Angle start out beating Joe and telling Joe just how talent he was and how Joe could not beat him.  I would build this storyline up only letting Joe getting DQ or count out victories over Angle. After this had gone on for awhile I would then have on huge final match between Angle and Joe, it wouild be a huge gimmick match winner must leave TNA or wrestling. I would let Joe win the title forcing Angle to retire from wrestling thus putting Joe making hin an even huge star thus making TNA a better place for all who wrestle for TNA.
My heart burns with a desire as it screams out for me to show you the error of your ways, and set you on the path of Righteousness!


Offline Izzy

  • nWo
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1128
  • Quick! To the bandwagon!
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2009, 08:03:03 pm »
Tna tried young guys and being different...and didn't get the ratings till it dropped that. Sad truth is tna needs to use the established guys to get the company noticed, once ratings are up to 2's they can be more adventurous, it's hard for them to do all that they want when they are battling just to survive
A nobody's opinion on the world of cinema
http://whogoestheremovieops.wordpress.com/

Offline Hammy

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4956
  • Location: Burnley, England
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2009, 08:15:29 pm »
Do they really need to use that many established names though.  I think scotta75 might have a point.

I mean remember when WWE got big during the Attitude Era.  For me it was word of mouth, people were talking about "Austin 3:16" and "D-Generation X", these were new names and concepts to me, I wasn't drawn back in by established names, it just took off because of great writing, it was fresh!

So what is wrong with taking talented unknowns and carving them into superstars?

Offline scotta75

  • Matt Hardy
  • ***
  • Posts: 224
  • Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
    • View Profile
    • Hi No Tori Fansubs
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2009, 08:32:15 pm »
Quote
Posted by: Izzy
Insert Quote
Tna tried young guys and being different...and didn't get the ratings till it dropped that. Sad truth is tna needs to use the established guys to get the company noticed, once ratings are up to 2's they can be more adventurous, it's hard for them to do all that they want when they are battling just to survive

Yes rating will drop but it is a formula that will work, look the WWE during the Attitude Era. No one knew who Austin was or HBK or the Undertaker was until Vince started putting them on Tv and putting them in main even matches! If Vince had not put the World title around HBK he would have been nothing but IC champion who was upper midcarder at the best if Vince continue to use the proven talent. No Vince roll the dice stood firm when the backlash started and push through it and now you have people like Orton, Edge, Christian, CM Punk, and Jeff Hardy who are all now superstars because of the gamble Vince took back in the 90's. Don't get me wrong I am not a big fan of Vince and the WWE but I will give credit where credit is do Vince knew what it took to overcome WCW and look at where WWE is and WCW is gone.

TNA needs to take the Attitude Era formula and use it to their advantage they have a crop of awesome young talent that are ready to become major players in TNA, but they will not get that shot as long as the proven talent is doing all the main event spots and wrestling for the major titles.

   Like I said there is noting wrong with proven talent because it is good for rating and helps with the younger talent if they are used right, and I am here to say that proven talent is not helping the younger talent at all in TNA. Come on Angle vs Foley is outdated and to be honest Foley is not the wrestler he use to be, then again to quote Cornette Foley is just a glorified  stuntman who time has come and gone. Why not put Angle vs Styles or Daniels or Samoa Joe someone who is going to go out there and cause Angle to take his game to the next level, and like wise cause them to take their game to next level. That right there is what proven talent is suppose to do and they bow out of the spot and let the younger talent proven their selves.

For TNA to make it to the level of the WWE they are going to have to put the future of the promotion in the hands of the younger talent forget about the ratings and let the younger talent carry the promotion, It work for the WWE and it will work for TNA!
My heart burns with a desire as it screams out for me to show you the error of your ways, and set you on the path of Righteousness!


Offline Izzy

  • nWo
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1128
  • Quick! To the bandwagon!
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2009, 08:52:41 pm »
Hell, I'm all for the TNA guys - i want to see far more of them and the x division

...but i understand why we dont

A nobody's opinion on the world of cinema
http://whogoestheremovieops.wordpress.com/

Offline D

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 2051
  • Break dancing baby
  • Location: Chattanooga TN
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2009, 09:09:06 pm »
I agree with just about everybody's opinion so far.

I, like Izzy,understand why they do it, but I believe they could have a better balance with things. They could have the old vet ratings draws on but still do a lot with the young guys.

TBH they need to cut out some of the bullshit "acting" stuff. The reason they are better than WWE is the fantastic matches. Their skit stuff is great with Kurt Angle, Beautiful People etc but TNA get into trouble when they drop to having 20 minutes of wrestling.

I love Scottie's idea about the agreement with New Japan or other orgs over there.

Think about this: people today have ADD and can't be bothered for the most part with old school wrestling matches. Bring in those high flying luchadors like WCW did to give the show a change of pace and a shitload of excitement.

This is where WWE now fails IMO. Back in the Attitude Era, EVERYBODY had a cool angle. Even Al Snow and guys like that had SOMETHING to do. Sure it was the major angle that drew u in but it was the side dishes that make the meal so great.

Eating a big ass Steak is amazing but u need the salad,bread,beverage to go with it.

Sure the bread isn't as important as the steak but it still enhances the overall quality of the meal.. ***** I am sounding like Teddy Atlas*

X division, Cruiserweights, etc they are the side dish that make the main course that much more desirable.

Sure tag teams may not draw like a singles HW feud, but it still adds something great to the show.

Join TSC MMA fight camp and compete against others on the net. Its like Powerslam Predictions only MMA:

Go to MMA section for details!

Offline Gnrfan

  • Moderator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1037
  • Hey i've won it all
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2009, 09:48:09 pm »
Steiner rocks!

The Legends title is for those falling between the X division and Heavyweight scene - Morgan would be perfect for it. The name is...misleading, but all the other title names have been taken between TNA and WWE...

To me though that title stays with established names. You need a title that guys like Daniels, Morgan, Raven, Young & Abyss can compete for. A title that is for young or new guys on the rise. Not big names on the fall. Like when AJ had it.... it seemed destined to go to a Nash type guy. Why not have Morgan win it?

I think the Legends title is a waste of time. its so the old has beens in TNA can rotate round the title. Why not have a title that TNA world champions are exempt from? so that guys like AJ, Joe, Sting, Angle, Jarrett & Foley can never win it. That way guys who are young or even vetrean journeymen can have title opportunities without big names interfering. The same could be done in WWE. Its a great idea in my opinion.

And Steiner Sucks! :DX:
This is how it works, You're young until you're not
You love until you don't, You try until you can't
You laugh until you cry, You cry until you laugh
And everyone must breathe, Until their dying breath

"Give Youth A Chance"

Offline D

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 2051
  • Break dancing baby
  • Location: Chattanooga TN
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2009, 10:25:59 pm »
Steiner rocks!

The Legends title is for those falling between the X division and Heavyweight scene - Morgan would be perfect for it. The name is...misleading, but all the other title names have been taken between TNA and WWE...

To me though that title stays with established names. You need a title that guys like Daniels, Morgan, Raven, Young & Abyss can compete for. A title that is for young or new guys on the rise. Not big names on the fall. Like when AJ had it.... it seemed destined to go to a Nash type guy. Why not have Morgan win it?

I think the Legends title is a waste of time. its so the old has beens in TNA can rotate round the title. Why not have a title that TNA world champions are exempt from? so that guys like AJ, Joe, Sting, Angle, Jarrett & Foley can never win it. That way guys who are young or even vetrean journeymen can have title opportunities without big names interfering. The same could be done in WWE. Its a great idea in my opinion.

And Steiner Sucks! :DX:

No u didn't :gtfo:
Join TSC MMA fight camp and compete against others on the net. Its like Powerslam Predictions only MMA:

Go to MMA section for details!

Offline Hammy

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4956
  • Location: Burnley, England
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2009, 12:17:35 am »
D, you always say, watch this thing from the past or that to see how much things suck now in comparison.  Go watch the old Scott Steiner and compare with the current one  :P

Offline D

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 2051
  • Break dancing baby
  • Location: Chattanooga TN
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2009, 12:50:16 am »
D, you always say, watch this thing from the past or that to see how much things suck now in comparison.  Go watch the old Scott Steiner and compare with the current one  :P

Scott Steiner has earned the right to suck though breaking his back to innovate wrestling.

show some respect
Join TSC MMA fight camp and compete against others on the net. Its like Powerslam Predictions only MMA:

Go to MMA section for details!

Offline Hammy

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4956
  • Location: Burnley, England
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2009, 01:01:32 am »
D, you always say, watch this thing from the past or that to see how much things suck now in comparison.  Go watch the old Scott Steiner and compare with the current one  :P

Scott Steiner has earned the right to suck though breaking his back to innovate wrestling.

show some respect
I would if he retired gracefully, too many guys carry on past their prime and lose your respect...

Offline D

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 2051
  • Break dancing baby
  • Location: Chattanooga TN
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2009, 01:32:54 am »
Hammy, u know wrestling better than this

no retirement package in wrestling.

A lot of these guys have to keep supporting themselves. I am sure Scott is financially secure, but should u quit going to JJ training when u reach a certain age just cause u slow down a bit?

When u love something, u can't just quit cause maybe u aren't as great as u once were.
Join TSC MMA fight camp and compete against others on the net. Its like Powerslam Predictions only MMA:

Go to MMA section for details!

Offline Hammy

  • Administrator
  • Hulk Hogan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4956
  • Location: Burnley, England
    • View Profile
Re: How would you make TNA competition for WWE?
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2009, 01:40:14 am »
Hey I get it but it doesn't stop him sucking, are we supposed to say, its ok all these legends past their prime bringing down the product because we should respect what they once were and understand how difficult it is to give it up.  When I'm seeing A Grade Steiner matches through re-runs why would I want to watch his matches now?