How would you make TNA competition for WWE?

[D]

How are they bringing down the product exactly?

STeiner and booker had a great match with Beer Money. I agree Nash and Foley are past it

but Steiner is still good. maybe not great like he was, but he is still entertaining, and can still wrestle pretty good.

[Hammy]

Booker T can wrestle well, no doubt.  Steiner is horrendous compared to how he was, he is medicore at best these days in the ring, great talker, heck look up some of his old matches, remind yourself...

[D]

At least he isn't setting up lighting equipment

[Izzy]

I dont think anyone can really complain about the way Steiner is being used - he's used tactically - and personally, I like his style and his matches

The Legends title should be the bridge between X Division and World title - Morgan should hold that belt immedietly and have a 6 month winning streak - put him against the other guys in between the two other belts

...by the time that six month run came to an end he'd be the Heavyweight Champion anyway

Few wrestlers I like more than Matt Morgan

[Gnrfan]

D, you always say, watch this thing from the past or that to see how much things suck now in comparison.  Go watch the old Scott Steiner and compare with the current one 

Scott Steiner has earned the right to suck though breaking his back to innovate wrestling.

show some respect

I would if he retired gracefully, too many guys carry on past their prime and lose your respect...

To me its less about them hanging around and more about keeping other guys down. I have the upmost respect for lots of wrestlers it doesnt mean i want to see them wrestle anymore. They have their place in wrestling at their age and its putting other guys over and using their knowledge to pass it on. The fact of the matter is there are a certain amount of places at the summit of a wrestling company and guys like Steiner & Nash have two places that could or should be assigned to someone else. I mean maybe they'd find the new Goldberg or Rock by accident in the process and maybe they wouldn't but Nash & Steiner give you nothing. I could undertstand it if TNA had no other big names but the likes of Sting, Booker T, AJ, Angle & Joe are massive names these days.

Some get away with it due to their excitement factor & awesome charecter... i'm thinking guys like Sting / Undertaker. But some dont like Nash & steiner. They are just boring IMO.

Commentator, Commisioner, TV personality, Manager.... i could accept all of these. But champions is just odd with so much talent around. Its good to see Beer Money with titles but last time i looked Nash was Legends champ, Steiner & Booker were Tag champs and i think thats just poor. And the sad thing Nash probally won't lose his title to a young gun, he'll lose it to Sting or Foley which just goes to show my point about the legend title being a appeasing title to keep the "Big Names" happy.

[Hammy]

Clearly we operate bias.  If your a big TNA fan you can "overlook" certain things, same goes for if your a big WWE fan.  Because I've noticed on many boards, a lot of people who defend TNA have veterans are the same people who slated WWE for letting Flair outstay his welcome.

[Izzy]

I despise Flair for the primary reason he looks 70 if not older, it was outrageous he could beat people a third of his age, he couldnt do anything but knife edge chops anyway...

[D]

Clearly we operate bias.  If your a big TNA fan you can "overlook" certain things, same goes for if your a big WWE fan.  Because I've noticed on many boards, a lot of people who defend TNA have veterans are the same people who slated WWE for letting Flair outstay his welcome.

I think it is a very unfair comparison

WWE are a BRAND. They are the McDonalds of Pro Wrestling with a roster full of guys they can easily make stars without it hurting their ratings or bottom line. So for them to keep going with a 60 plus year old Flair is ridiculous cause they don't have to.

TNA are different. TNA are still a new company trying their best to survive and make it. Just like GNR fans, us die hard wrestling fans sometimes have a hard time seeing things from the 'casual" perspective.

To us its like 'Hey, AJ Is awesome, joe is awesome, throw them in every main event and it will be awesome......

Problem is, *to steal a line from Lofton* Joe Public have no idea who these guys are. If they are channel surfing and see these two guys......... they don't give a **** how great they can wrestle. They see two dudes they don't know and keep on flipping.

When that same person is channel surfing and sees Steiner,Angle,Nash,Booker T,Sting,Foley they think, WOW, I use to love these guys, let me take a look at this for a minute and it stops them from changing the channel immediately.

now, while watching guys who were great back in the day, they discover an AJ Styles, Samoa Joe etc and they then get hooked.

SO TNA don't have the luxury of doing completely new guys. Before the MEM, TNA barely did .9's

now they are doing as high as 1.3 in just a year which is phenomenal growth.

Putting all the straps on MEM is just a way to make the group dominant *unlike Legacy where Priceless are a bunch of lackeys and jobbers* and will get new TNA talent over even more when they eventually grab the belts.

[Hammy]

When they are channel surfing they thinking, WOW I used to love these guys...true

Their next thought is....****, what happened to them? 

This whole they've built them up all this time because long term they are going to put over the younger talent, thats the excuse for the young talent having been booked like crap, heck Nash beat AJ clean, who does Nash drop the belt to? Foley.

I've no issue with building up the legends to have them knocked down, but the youngsters have been built up at such a slow rate.

Going into the last PPV (I think, or closing some Impact!).  You had Sting and Joe and Angle in the ring and Jarrett and Foley trying to make the save but being stopped by Booker, Nash, Steiner.  Until this recent Hernandez push the only time the MEM struggle is against Jarrett and Foley.

[D]

They are bringing in new booking though, so I think maybe that was a reason for the blowup with Jarrett other than the affair thing.

I don't think these guys have fallen that far. Booker T and Kurt would still do great on WWE. Kurt would easily be a world title holder and Booker I could see being the ECW champion.

Also, not everyone has a memory like some of u guys. I mean Nash has never been a great wrestler and I hate to break this to u, but most people don't even realize that John Cena can't wrestle.

I talk to a girl who thinks Cena is GOD and she thinks I am an idiot for saying he can't wrestle.

That is my GNR point. Most people don't analyze and see stuff the way we do. Hell, most still get easily swerved by **** we see a thousand miles away.

[Hammy]

Yeah I've noticed through twitter how many "OMGZ Cena & Batista RULZ" fans there are.

When I was talking about guys having fallen I was meaning Steiner, Nash, Foley.

Nash has never been that good, but he once had the ability to be carried to a good match by a solid talent, i.e. Joe he doesn't even have that now.  Go back and watch Nash vs. HBK in WWF and you'll realise he was a lot better, quicker and mobile that many make out.

I like the sound of the current writing, no doubt, this new stable is a great idea and way to push fresh talent, I just got irked by the way some guys lost, I mean Nash squashed Styles on the Impact before Victory Road like he was nothing, then at the event itself he beat him clean.

As Gnrfan said, Styles should be THE MAN.  I don't rate his mic skills, but as a wrestler combined with his crazy popularity with the Impact Zone when pushed right, he is on a Jeff Hardy level of overness.

[D]

I can't argue with u about AJ but I am hoping this is just a beginning and it will all be rectified in the end.

[Gnrfan]

Clearly we operate bias.  If your a big TNA fan you can "overlook" certain things, same goes for if your a big WWE fan.  Because I've noticed on many boards, a lot of people who defend TNA have veterans are the same people who slated WWE for letting Flair outstay his welcome.

When that same person is channel surfing and sees Steiner,Angle,Nash,Booker T,Sting,Foley they think, WOW, I use to love these guys, let me take a look at this for a minute and it stops them from changing the channel immediately.

I disagree. I have friends who rarely watch wrestling and they know who AJ Styles and Samoa Joe are. I don't think they see Foley, Steiner or Nash and say Wow, unless its followed by the sentence "Are they still wrestling"

TNA got semi popular through guys like Daniels, Samoa Joe, Jarrett & AJ Styles and then they made some clever signings like Angle, Sting & Booker T but they overdid it with the established names and now there are too many IMO.

I agree with D an up and coming company needs faces that are reconisable to general public. The problem is they are not the ones that will make TNA big. The way TNA will get bigger is to steal some of WWE fans and get some old wrestling fans who haven't watched in a while. When WCW was big you had Hogan & Co as the names but people (and by that i mean me and friends) tuned in to see Goldbergs Streak go on and on as well as guys like Jericho.

The problem is with TNA is they have too many "Big Names" and not enough excitment of rising stars. I mean even AJ has been around for ages. Where is the new blood in the World Title picture? Where is the TNA pureblood thats been on a fast rise that the fans really wanna get behind? No where. The MEM are a variation of the NWO, not that its a bad thing but its not fresh and new. It doesn't make me think "God this John Cena Match is boring, Lets see if *Insert Name* is wrestling on TNA".... I turned over for NWO & Goldberg, I don't care enough to turn to TNA.

[Izzy]

Styles has been 'abused' the last few weeks - but they are building to something

He's going to lose to Morgan next week but win the following for the Main Event Spot

Sting may win the title at Bound for Glory - but i think an AJ win at Hard Justice is guarenteed

So while he's been jobbing - he is about to take the big one

Elsewhere on the card - Hernandez will beat Joe (and Joe will turn on Tazz....) and the X Division hasnt been forgotten about, they are planning something - but here its harder to call

[Hammy]

Hernandez "will" beat Joe?

He already did, clean, on Impact...

I thought they'd of built it up more before having a match, it seems a lazy booking way of advancing a feud between guys by having them wrestler each other, I prefer the confrontations and the build-up before they eventually fight, especially for a first time ever match between 2 young guys, the future of the company, and heck it was the first match of the show to, this is normally a WWE tactic.

Thing with Nash is the, tuning in to see him was done in 1996....not its 2009.  In 1996 he was a top talent, very popular.  The kind of established guys to do that with now is Kennedy, Lashley, Umaga....they along with Angle and Booker T should be the known names who feud with the new guys.  Kennedy, Lashley etc. should not be taking on the role of the youngsters fighting the veterans, they are known names already, you just worry if they come in does someone good lose his spot.  They are established enough to take the established positions.  nWo might have been a bunch of known names, but most of them weren't relics and guys like Hogan and Savage are exceptions to any rule