Montreal Screwjob Discussion

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U don't see a link? WHAT??

Screwing Bret made Vince hated and a villain which gave birth to the whole Mr McMahon character and his feud with Stone Cold which destroyed WCW.

The Screwjob did nothing for ratings and winning the Wars. It was a year later before WWF went ahead and that was mainly to do with Austin. Bret leaving neither helped or hindered that War.

Yeah ok it made Vince a more credible heel because you could believe he really was that much of a C%*T but to say the screwjob helped win the wars is Wrong. It may of been the end of an Era but the attitude Era didn't start til Mania.

Bret couldn't evolve with the times and got left behind. Bret's contract was up after SS, so yeah he gave his "word" but u can't take that chance,especially considering how down WWE were at the time.

Bret should've done what was right for business. Vince wanted him to lose and he refused to drop the title.Bret forgot it was just a show. He actually thought Canada would disown him if he lost or some bullshit like that.

I agree that Bret struggled with the "New" Style of wrestling. He didn't like what it stood for and made him feel uneasy. He never thought Canada would disown him he just knew that a victory for him would send those people home happy and on his last appearence thats what he wanted.... not a massive ask after 14 years of service.

Brets contarct was only up coz Vince couldn't afford his old 20 year contract (which Bret agreed to out of Loyalty coz Vince begged him not to leave even though WCW offered way more money). Bret agreed out of Loyalty to Vince to go to WCW to help WWF with their finances.

Wrestling is a business where "Word and Honour" mean alot to most people.... obviously not to HBK & Vince

Bret screwed Bret.

Of all the things you've ever said that the dumbest thing i've ever read. Its a stupid comment that if you understand anything about wrestling you know its not true. Even Vince only used it as an Angle.

I don't blame Shawn for being a prick backstage. U have to remember, no small guy ever got the chance to be the MAN. so once Shawn got that what was he suppose to do? say "here dude, take my spot and put me back into the midcard"

He has a living to make as well, so I can't blame him for wanting to stay at the top, especially when he is the best on the roster.

Shawn has always been a prick.... but to lie to someones face during maybe their worst moment of their wrestling life is a really shitty thing to do and alot of big names in wrestling agree. The HBK bummers always say "He had to do it for his Career" Bullshit. You control your destiny and if you wanna live life as a C%*T then thats his business but admit it.... don't wait 6 years before saying "Yeah i knew" like a little ****.

We all have to make a living, I could go and rob grannies but i don't coz i'm not a prick. I have respect for others and if i have to do that to get ahead then maybe i'm not the talent i thought i was.

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Didn't Vince want to cut Hitman's off his payroll because he was about to turn his private company into a public traded company and need to show his company as profitable as possible?

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Didn't Vince want to cut Hitman's off his payroll because he was about to turn his private company into a public traded company and need to show his company as profitable as possible?

Not sure about that but i know that Vince realised he couldn't match the money so opted to offer a long-term contract to Bret to stop him going to WCW. Then he changed his mind and asked Bret to see if he could still get his WCW offer coz he couldn't afford the contract he originally offered. Bret said he'd do it for the good of WWF which he still didn't want to leave.

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Of course as a wrestling fan it was a shitty thing to do. I can understand Vince's side though and why he did it.

He doing that to Bret planted the seeds for his Mr McMahon character. It gave him the inspiration. so yeah, it was huge for the wars. Like it or not, Vince was just a big a part of winning as Stone Cold was. Without Vince's heel to play off of, Stone COld wouldn't have been near as big.


I like Bret but he should've dropped the title. Shawn has a life and a family to support, so even if he wanted to, which I agree he probably didn't care, but in the wrestling business, u got to do what u are told.

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I like Bret but he should've dropped the title. Shawn has a life and a family to support, so even if he wanted to, which I agree he probably didn't care, but in the wrestling business, u got to do what u are told.

If Vince wanted Bret to drop it then just tell him! Don't do that! Bret knew that Survivor Series was his last match and he knew with two months to go. Out of those 8 weeks 7 weeks were in the US! Bret said he would of dropped the title anywhere but Canada and told Vince that at the time they decided he'd be leaving. So why not have Shawn cheat Bret out of the title on US soil and then make the Survivor Series match the re-match and have Bret win by DQ.... Simple and Sorted!

Instead Vince told Bret he could leave anyway he wanted and agreed that he wouldn't lose the belt at SS. and then did that.... i think thats being a coward.

HBK at that time was the fastest rising star in WWE, he could of said i'm not doing it like that and nothing would have come of it. He enjoyed doing it and i'm not sure he has ever apoligised for that disgraceful act. And he should. If thats wat you have to do to get ahead in life then you're life is nothing but a joke. Maybe thats one reason why HBK found god.... Coz he realised he was a Twat and instead of admitting it he thought that God had told him to shape up.

Not everyone in the business does what they are told.... many have gone against Vince and stayed in WWE. Undertaker, Rock & Mick Foley to name 3 and not all when they were "stars" either. YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE IN LIFE. Fine you can understand why they made the decsion.... but there is only one wrong party and thats Vince, HBK & Hebner.

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Vince could afford his contract, he was paying Mike Tyson more than enough for a few Bret Harts very shortly afterwards.

Ironic obviously that Michaels went on a 4 year hiatus a few months later.

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Ironic obviously that Michaels went on a 4 year hiatus a few months later.

Coz he knew no one in the locker room liked him. haha. But he deserved every bit of that bad back... i hope it reminds him of how much of a scumbag he was that night.

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WWE’s recently released Shawn Michaels DVD, Shawn Michaels – My Journey, has HBK doing commentary for a 1992 match in Ottawa against Bret Hart. It’s worth noting because Michaels goes out of his way to put over “The Hit Man” after proclaiming for a number of years that he was very good, but not great. Michaels relays his past history with Hart, saying both tried to work past their conflicts in spite of their paranoia and shared belief that management kept them at odds because they thought it was best for business. The piece was taped prior Hart’s return to WWE as Michaels said he hadn’t seen him since “Montreal.” Michaels added he had Hart’s phone number and wanted to call him to bury the hatchet because it sends a bad message to people if you can’t forgive and forget. Ultimately, he never ended up calling him.