UFC Thread

[D]

I have Forrest Griffin winning although in my post I did make a Freudian slip and said Anderson


He beat Rich twice, Henderson although I am curious to see how well Dan would do in a rematch.

[Ragu]

Doesn't that hurt his legacy some though not wanting to fight for the top company?

Only reason I see Brock winning is the UFC's rules, octagon etc and cut stoppages.

One can say AA was doing damn good if he hadn't **** up and made that mistake.

it literally doesnt hurt his legacy at all. since the **** fans are the one who evn care about legacy, he's the best in the world, he doesnt have to go find compeition, they need to come to him

[D]

Does AA's glass chin and Sylvia losing to Ray mercer cheapen his wins any?

How do u see Fedor beating Brock though

[Ragu]

doesnt cheapen it caue i dont think aa has a glass chin, an tim was obviously garbage in the mercer fight he was like 320lbs..

fedor either subs brock off the back (his legs locks are literally 50 times better than mirs) or tko after dropping him

[Hammy]

But UFC stopped some good fights from being included....

With an over-the-top buildup leading into UFC 100, Zuffa’s promotional effort for Saturday’s card left virtually no stone unturned, including a countdown that recapped the greatest 100 UFC fights as voted on by fans.

That is, the greatest fights except those involving Frank Shamrock.

The UFC’s first middleweight champ and arguably its biggest star in the late 90s, Shamrock never lost a fight in the Octagon. However, the UFC excluded all of his bouts from fan voting -- even his epic scrap against Tito Ortiz in September 1999 at UFC 22.

In short, Shamrock-Ortiz was one of the UFC’s earliest title bouts that felt like a top championship boxing match, given the buildup and drama that made Shamrock’s fourth-round TKO his finest -- and final -- performance in the Octagon. Giving up more than 20 pounds after the weigh-in, Shamrock calmly and tactically dissected Ortiz in what stands as a masterpiece of strategy, along with a heady dose of down-and-dirty know-how.

Sadly, the bout won’t be featured on the UFC’s countdown that has been airing on Spike TV.

“I thought it was a pivotal fight (in MMA),” Shamrock told Sherdog.com. “Physically and mentally, it was a pivotal fight in the history of the sport itself. It’s obviously pretty ridiculous and childish they left it out. That’s obvious. I was the first-ever champion, and Tito was the first guy in a weight class to work his way up. In my opinion, it was the first real legitimate build-up to a championship fight. It was a real story.”

Shamrock doesn’t get along with Dana White and UFC brass. Nor does Ortiz, another former UFC champion, whose losses only -- not wins -- were made eligible to be voted on by fans.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/erasing-shamrock-from-the-ufc-history-books-18470

[D]

oh yeah Ortiz/Shamrock def should've been top ten

Tito/Vitor should've been top 20

[Hammy]

Anderson Silva will win by TKO, size advantage aside, he has better stand-up and although he may get taken down, he won't have any problem surviving on the ground and recovering to his feet.

[Hammy]

you 2 sound very noobish saying brock would destroy the best fighter to ever live, i'm a huge brock fan but that's crazy talk. taking fedor down means nothing, ask randleroid...

Brock is NO Randleman, I like Fedor and respect what he has done but Brock would give him big problems, unfortunately with all the failed talks over the years, we probably won't get a chance to see it.

[Rankin]

you 2 sound very noobish saying brock would destroy the best fighter to ever live, i'm a huge brock fan but that's crazy talk. taking fedor down means nothing, ask randleroid...

and also fedor said he'll never be in the ufc

Very noobish? I'm not the one calling a fighter (while good) the best fighter to ever live who hasn't faced the highest ranked guys in his career. At the same time I'm not calling Lesnar the greatest ever but he certainly has the chance to be. The thing is no one knows who is the best unless Fedor actually goes to the UFC, all talk of so and so is the best ever is obsolete unless they are fighting and beating the No.1 guys.

Oh and I don't know where you get your info from since Fedor has said he is open to the possibility of going to the UFC if the terms are right and he has also had multiple rounds of negotiations with Dana White, the latest being in June.

[timothy]

At this point in time I think brock would ko fedor in the second.

Couple of years ago fedor would have destroyed Brock though.

[Ragu]

you 2 sound very noobish saying brock would destroy the best fighter to ever live, i'm a huge brock fan but that's crazy talk. taking fedor down means nothing, ask randleroid...

and also fedor said he'll never be in the ufc

Very noobish? I'm not the one calling a fighter (while good) the best fighter to ever live who hasn't faced the highest ranked guys in his career. At the same time I'm not calling Lesnar the greatest ever but he certainly has the chance to be. The thing is no one knows who is the best unless Fedor actually goes to the UFC, all talk of so and so is the best ever is obsolete unless they are fighting and beating the No.1 guys.

Oh and I don't know where you get your info from since Fedor has said he is open to the possibility of going to the UFC if the terms are right and he has also had multiple rounds of negotiations with Dana White, the latest being in June.

fedor has gone against the best ranked guys, nog was undisputed number 1 when fedor was smashing him, and when he was done, nog was undisputed number 2. cc was also thought to be top 3. also fedor has smashed 2 ufc champs. btw ask D who i like better fedor or brock, fedor has recently said he doesnt think he'll fight in the ufc cause they cant come to a deal on demands...

also i dindt say brock couldnt win, i said thinking he'd run thru fedor is ridiculous

[Ragu]

bj and anderson both win easy and big finishes

[Ragu]

d you calm down with that tito love, ken tito 1 yes should have been on. but not tito and vitor, and no where near top 20, as for frank, he only really has the tito fight 2 add to the list, and that wouldnt have been high enough to really make a big deal about it, they got the top 3 dead on for sure, even if idk bout the order

[Rankin]

you 2 sound very noobish saying brock would destroy the best fighter to ever live, i'm a huge brock fan but that's crazy talk. taking fedor down means nothing, ask randleroid...

and also fedor said he'll never be in the ufc

Very noobish? I'm not the one calling a fighter (while good) the best fighter to ever live who hasn't faced the highest ranked guys in his career. At the same time I'm not calling Lesnar the greatest ever but he certainly has the chance to be. The thing is no one knows who is the best unless Fedor actually goes to the UFC, all talk of so and so is the best ever is obsolete unless they are fighting and beating the No.1 guys.

Oh and I don't know where you get your info from since Fedor has said he is open to the possibility of going to the UFC if the terms are right and he has also had multiple rounds of negotiations with Dana White, the latest being in June.

fedor has gone against the best ranked guys, nog was undisputed number 1 when fedor was smashing him, and when he was done, nog was undisputed number 2. cc was also thought to be top 3. also fedor has smashed 2 ufc champs. btw ask D who i like better fedor or brock, fedor has recently said he doesnt think he'll fight in the ufc cause they cant come to a deal on demands...

also i dindt say brock couldnt win, i said thinking he'd run thru fedor is ridiculous

Oh I don't think he would run through Fedor, just think alot (well pretty much all) the diehard MMA fans who still for whatever reason don't think Lesnar is a good fighter, really underestimate him when really he would for sure be Fedors toughtest challenge ever. (I wouldn't say Nog cause his ground game is just ineffective against someone like Fedor whereas Lesnars style makes it so much tougher)

Well judging by how Dana was talking him up I think theres definately more movement on the issue, certainly more than we know.

[D]

Ragu and i are both huge Brock fans so he isn't one of these Fedor fanboys who thinks he is the greatest just cause that is what everyone always says.

I think Fedor would have problems with Brock and yes I do agree Rankin. I believe after all this,people somehow STILL underestimate Brock.

the time he fought Fedor, he'd have another solid year of BJJ defense training and lets be realistic. Fedor's only chance in my opinion is a sub. Cause the second he gets close to Brock, he is getting taken down. Brock is so freakishly strong he will be the strongest guy Fedor has ever fought, the most athletic guy Fedor has ever fought. I think Brock could smother him and the UFC "STOP" fights quicker than other orgs, so I could see Brock getting him in a position kind of like Mir and having the refs stop it.