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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #90 on: July 17, 2009, 11:26:56 pm »
Dude

there is a difference in not going in 100 percent and having major back surgery
when u have back problems that require surgery, not only can u not go into a fight at 100 percent, u can't even train for a fight anywhere near 100 percent.

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #91 on: July 17, 2009, 11:28:10 pm »
Dude

there is a difference in not going in 100 percent and having major back surgery
when u have back problems that require surgery, not only can u not go into a fight at 100 percent, u can't even train for a fight anywhere near 100 percent.
I'm talking about most fights he always seems to have a complaint and I could have sworn for the Machida fight for once he said he was 100%...

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #92 on: July 17, 2009, 11:37:37 pm »
Yeah but that is just to sell the fight.

no body is gonna have major back surgery just to make an excuse for losing. He was legitimately hurt.

what is tito gonna say when trying to sell a PPV? well, I am only about 60 percent for this fight cause i Need surgery

of course not. nobody would buy it.
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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #93 on: July 17, 2009, 11:41:50 pm »
Yeah but that is just to sell the fight.

no body is gonna have major back surgery just to make an excuse for losing. He was legitimately hurt.

what is tito gonna say when trying to sell a PPV? well, I am only about 60 percent for this fight cause i Need surgery

of course not. nobody would buy it.
I mean after it, I'm sure he even mentioned it in the post fight interview, rather than the usual post fight interview of I had this and that wrong with me.

He's just struck me in recent years as a guy who is all talk.  The one time I took to him was on TUF3 he came across really well on that show.

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #94 on: July 18, 2009, 01:18:18 am »
Tickets for the next UFC show in the UK - UFC 105 in Manchester on Novermber 14th - go on sale next week, Fighters Only has been told.

A source at a leading ticket sales agency says tickets for the show will become available to buy from next week.

The date for UFC 105 - and indeed the event itself - has not yet been officially confirmed by the UFC but multiple sources have confirmed to Fighters Only that the UFC will be at the Manchester Evening News Arena on November 14th.

Michael Bisping was said to have been lined up for a middleweight title shot against Anderson Silva on the November card had he got past Dan Henderson at UFC 100, but that fight has been derailed by the KO loss he suffered.

If Bisping is ready to compete by November he will likely feature on the card - which is the first British show since UFC 95 in February - although it is not yet clear who his next opponent will be.

Other names speculated to be appearing on the card include fighters from Bisping’s TUF 9 UK team such as Ross Pearson and James Wilkes.

British fighters such as Paul Kelly and Paul Taylor can also be expected to make an appearance, as well as European talent such as Stefan Struve.

Mirko ‘CroCop’ Filipovic has fought two of his four UFC fights to date in the UK - one in Manchester - but is rumoured to be on UFC 103, which would make him unavailable for this card.


I'm definately there! You up for it Hammy?
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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #95 on: July 18, 2009, 01:20:41 am »
Brilliant article by Dave Meltzer:

There have been 61 fighters in UFC history who were pro wrestlers at one point or another. There are nine on the current UFC roster. Of the six fighters in the UFC Hall of Fame, three – Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn and Mark Coleman – dabbled in wrestling.

But UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar is the only one vilified for it.

It would be easy to say that the attitude Lesnar has displayed – and not his former profession – would be the reason for crowds' reaction to him in his short UFC career. It would be easy to blame his actions in the cage after he beat Frank Mir at UFC 100 for the reaction of the crowd, fellow fighters and media afterward. Except it wouldn't be entirely true.

When Lesnar stepped out of the dressing room for his first match with Mir in February 2008, no debuting fighter in UFC history was ever so heavily booed. At that point, he had done nothing to be judged on in his UFC career – except that in his two previous careers, as a college wrestler for the University of Minnesota and as a pro wrestler for World Wrestling Entertainment, he had risen to the top.

The reaction was entirely based on the fact that he was a pro wrestler coming into the UFC. The reaction came from a fan base that judged him as somehow different from the pro wrestlers who came before him into the UFC.

Of course, none of the former pro wrestlers came into the company with so much publicity and such a rich contract. None walked in with the sort of name value and curiosity which led to what was, at the time, among the most purchased pay-per-view shows in company history.

This is not a defense of anything he did after the fight. But the reaction to Lesnar's postfight comments and his flipping the bird at fans is just the latest example of a double standard Lesnar has faced in his MMA career.

What if the Lesnar and Dan Henderson fights and postfights on Saturday night were transposed? If Lesnar had thrown that totally legal but devastating second blow on an already knocked-out foe – and remarked in his interview that he was doing it to shut Mir's mouth – people would have spent the past week demanding that he be banned from the sport. And would Henderson have gotten nearly Lesnar's heat if he had pulled the same postfight antics as Lesnar?

You want to deny there's a double standard here?

As Georges St. Pierre continually took down Thiago Alves in their welterweight title fight, the crowd cheered every takedown. Even when St. Pierre wasn't doing damage on the ground, he was being cheered wildly the entire fight.

In round two, as Lesnar had Mir on the ground and was punching his face in less than 30 seconds before the fight was over, there was a loud chant aimed at referee Herb Dean of "stand them up."

This was a first in UFC history. Not the chant itself, but it being done when a fighter was pummeling the other and actually seconds away from winning. It was the first time a crowd hated a fighter so much that they were willing to pervert the entire framework of what the sport is supposed to be – that a fighter should do what he can to finish a fight – simply because they wanted that fighter to lose so badly.

Of all the pro wrestlers who have come into the sport, only two – Lesnar and non-UFC fighter Bobby Lashley – have ever been disrespected by fellow fighters for being a pro wrestler. In Lesnar's four UFC fights, only one opponent didn't throw some kind of variation on "It's not the WWE" at him before the fight. In hyping the match, Mir implied Lesnar was strong but clueless when it came to fighting. Heath Herring and his camp had complained behind the scenes to company officials that it was a joke he was even put in the ring with a fake pro wrestler and made public comments about how the punches were going to be real.

The only opponent who didn't disrespect Lesnar before the fight was Couture. The only opponent Lesnar didn't trash talk afterward was Couture. Coincidence?

And Mir probably won't be the last, given the fact that his potential next opponent, Shane Carwin, already has played the pro-wrestling card in starting the hype.

"We have no scripts in this port, no predetermined earning amount and no predetermined outcomes," Carwin said.

Saturday night's perfect storm was a moment that will be remembered in the sport's history. It marked the first time that a UFC fighter was the single most talked-about sports personality in the world, as pundits who spent years hyping the likes of Barry Bonds and Randy Moss suddenly found their moral compass and badmouthed Lesnar.

Lesnar never asked to become the biggest villain the sport has ever seen, but he's also smart enough and experienced enough at it that he knows it's not all a bad thing. While running down Bud Light – UFC's leading sponsor – was not the best of judgment, he's turned out to be one of the greatest things for building the popularity of the sport.

Just as tennis had John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors, and boxing had Muhammad Ali, and football has Terrell Owens, it is good for the sport to have a great villain. You don't want a sport where everyone is like him; but when push comes to shove, Lesnar is great for the sport, just as St. Pierre is in a very different way.

The duality of the reaction of the crowds, in comparing the reactions to what Lesnar and Henderson said, and how Lesnar and St. Pierre formulated their winning game plans, says something pretty significant about the sport and its fan base.

The history of fights which have garnered the most interest and drawn the most money in UFC history, matches built by inflammatory interviews fashioned out of pro wrestling, are what made the sport and saved the sport. The examples are endless – from Tito Ortiz's grudge with Ken Shamrock, to Couture spanking Ortiz at the end of their match, to Quinton Jackson and Rashad Evans nearly coming to blows in the crowd. It's a lesson very much worth examining for anyone arguing about what is good or bad for the future of the sport.

That's not even a bad thing. But it's simply accepting the truth of what all of this is, as opposed to living in a world of pretend – and then complaining about somebody because he used to be a pro wrestler.
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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #96 on: July 18, 2009, 01:21:02 am »
If tickets are on sale that soon its very unlikely, I have a job lined up but don't start until August 10th unfortunately  :(

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #97 on: July 18, 2009, 01:41:28 am »
Some very good points, wrestling - WWE gets bad mouthed way to much, and it is true about reversing roles with Henderson and what the reactions would have been like, although as you know I reacted to what Henderson did.  One of the reasons he does get heat is even prior to his first fight with Mir he was all mouth, he just isn't a likeable guy, WWE background or not, and when he senses hostility or dislike towards him he soaks it up, he loves it, he plays upto it and in doing so creates more heat, and by all accounts he is one moody pissed off bastard.

“I was on Opie and Anthony a couple of nights ago and those guys were like you know what? [Brock Lesnar is] your Mike Tyson. This is the guy where people are gonna tune in and say ‘Oh My God what’s this guy gonna do next?’ You know what the crazy part is? I just flew up there a couple weeks ago and we hung out and went to dinner. [Lesnar’s] such a good guy, but I’ll give you this: The week of the event I have a hard time dealing with him. He gets miserable, he’s a grouchy guy who can snap at any time. That’s for real.” - Dana White

But its true, he is great for the sport, the kind of heat he generates and people wanting to see him lose, and the dude could very well dominate for YEARS.  The belt needs that, the Heavyweight Title has always been tarnished by people having to drop the belt, be stripped of it or getting very few defences and in a sport where the Heavyweight guys are the biggest draws its not a good thing.

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #98 on: July 18, 2009, 12:31:05 pm »
Got this from mmamania.com

Jim Rome during his radio show today:

“It’s been a week since Brock Lesnar opened up Frank Mir’s face and then went WWE after the fight. And the debate rages on! Is Lesnar good or bad for the sport? WEC Featherweight Champion Mike Brown says Lesnar is bringing the one thing the sport probably doesn’t need … hillbillies: ‘normal sports fans or MMA fans, I don’t think they’re into this type of thing. But the pro-wrestling fans, that’s what they’re into. I’ve never been a pro-wrestling fan, but I could imagine, I know there’s a lot of them, how they got really into that. They love the heel, the bad guy, the jerk who talks a lot of smack. So maybe it’s going to attract some hillbilly fans.’ Maybe it’ll attract some hillbilly fans? Right! And maybe the new Harry Potter movie will attract lames in capes and costumes with broomsticks. I’m with Brown … I’ve never been a pro wrestling fan either. Or a fan of laying a beatdown on a guy and getting in his grill to remind him of it while he’s getting medical attention! Or, of ‘flipping off’ the fans! Or, telling them what you’re going to do your wife later that night. Or hillbillies! All that said … don’t tell me this guy isn’t good for the UFC, because he is! Either you love him or you hate him, but you will pay to see him. You know the guy is the ‘Next Big Thing,’ the biggest pub hound ever! Shaq is trying to hitch his gravy train to him saying he wants to fight him. Shaq … check it …. you know how I be — you won’t last five minutes in the C-A-G-E. Check it … you know how I be — you can’t hang with that hill-bill-ee!”

No matter what anyone thinks, we can all agree...the dude is big business!

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #99 on: July 20, 2009, 11:53:32 pm »
I thought rather than possibly having a clunked up forum with a thread dedicated to each fight announcement we could have one topic in which anyone can post news about scheduled/rumoured fights for upcoming UFC cards.

I'll try to keep an updated card list (not all fights are officially announced but are confirmed by reliable souces):

UFC 104 - 24th October @ Los Angeles
Light Heavyweight Championship bout:  Lyoto Machida (c) vs.  Mauricio Rua
Heavyweight bout:  Cain Velasquez vs.  Ben Rothwell
Lightweight bout:  Gleison Tibau vs.  Josh Neer
Lightweight bout:  Joe Stevenson vs.  Spencer Fisher
Welterweight bout:  Anthony Johnson vs.  Yoshiyuki Yoshida
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Light Heavyweight bout:  Ryan Bader vs.  Eric Schafer
Heavyweight bout:  Antoni Hardonk vs.  Patrick Barry
Prelims
Middleweight bout:  Yushin Okami vs.  Chael Sonnen
Middleweight bout:  Jorge Rivera vs.  Rob Kimmons
Light Heavyweight bout:  Kyle Kingsbury vs.  Razak Al-Hassan
Heavyweight bout:  Stefan Struve vs.  Chase Gormley

UFC 105 - 14th November @ Manchester, England
Light Heavyweight bout (Non-Title):  Randy Couture vs.  Brandon Vera
Welterweight bout:  Mike Swick vs.  Dan Hardy
Middleweight bout:  Michael Bisping vs.  Denis Kang
Welterweight bout:  James Wilks vs.  Matt Brown
Lightweight bout:  Ross Pearson vs.  Aaron Riley
Prelims
Lightweight bout:  Terry Etim vs.  Shannon Gugerty
Welterweight bout:  Paul Taylor vs.  John Hathaway
Welterweight bout:  Nick Osipczak vs.  Matthew Riddle
Lightweight bout:  Paul Kelly vs.  Dennis Siver
Light Heavyweight bout:  Alexander Gustafsson vs.  Jared Hamman
Lightweight bout:  Andre Winner vs.  Rolando Delgado

UFC 106 - 21st November @ Las Vegas
Heavyweight Championship bout:  Brock Lesnar (c) vs.  Shane Carwin
Light Heavyweight bout:  Tito Ortiz vs.  Forrest Griffin
Welterweight bout:  Jon Fitch vs.  Ricardo Almeida
Light Heavyweight bout:  Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs.  Luiz Arthur Cane
Welterweight bout:  Karo Parisyan vs.  Dustin Hazelett
Prelims
Welterweight bout:  Amir Sadollah vs.  Phil Baroni
Welterweight bout:  Ben Saunders vs.  Marcus Davis
Middleweight bout:  Kendall Grove vs.  Jake Rosholt
Lightweight bout:  George Sotiropoulos vs.  Jason Dent

The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale - 5th December @ Las Vegas
Light heavyweight bout:  Matt Hamill vs.  Jon Jones
Welterweight bout:  Dennis Hallman vs.  John Howard
Lightweight bout:  Frank Edgar vs.  Kurt Pellegrino
Lightweight bout:  Matt Veach vs.  Mark Bocek
Light heavyweight bout:  Rodney Wallace vs.  Brian Stann

UFC 107 - 12th December @ Memphis
Lightweight Championship bout:  B.J. Penn (c) vs.  Diego Sanchez
Heavyweight bout:  Frank Mir vs.  Cheick Kongo
Heavyweight bout:  Kimbo Slice vs.  Houston Alexander
Lightweight bout:  Kenny Florian vs.  Clay Guida
Welterweight bout:  Thiago Alves vs.  Paulo Thiago
Heavyweight bout:  Paul Buentello vs.  Todd Duffee
Prelims
Middleweight bout:  Wilson Gouveia vs.  Alan Belcher
Middleweight bout:  Rousimar Palhares vs.  Lucio Linhares
Welterweight bout:  Edgar Garcia vs.  DaMarques Johnson
Welterweight bout:  Kevin Burns vs.  TJ Grant
Welterweight bout:  Johny Hendricks vs.  Ricardo Funch

UFC 108: The Ultimate - 2nd January 2010 @ Las Vegas
Middleweight Championship bout:  Anderson Silva (c) vs.  Vitor Belfort
Light Heavyweight bout:  Thiago Silva vs  Rashad Evans
Heavyweight bout:  Junior dos Santos vs.  Gabriel Gonzaga
Lightweight bout:  Joe Lauzon vs  Sam Stout
Lightweight bout:  Dan Lauzon vs.  Cole Miller
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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #100 on: July 21, 2009, 12:21:19 am »
I've really been like Soszynski I hope he pulls off the win.

Henderson vs. Franklin II, at what weight?  To be honest I didn't find the first match that exciting, close but still I'm not to bothered about seeing them go at it again...already.

I hope Eric Schafer chokes out Bader, Bader bored me so much in his last fight and I like Schafer overcoming the odds, shame that won't happen and Bader will knock his head off, Schafer is being used to make him look good again.

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #101 on: July 21, 2009, 12:36:36 am »
UFC haven't said what weight it would be at but one would assume Middleweight (although another Catchweight 195lbs would be best for Franklin if hes planning a stay at 205lbs).

Really? I quite like Bader, could be a real threat quite soon. And to be fair, he did tear his medial collateral ligament and posterior cruciate ligament during the fight and kept going. I hope he wins, although I am fond of Schafer aswell with his awesome BJJ.
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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #102 on: July 21, 2009, 12:44:42 am »
I did like Bader but it only takes one fight to leave a bad taste in your mouth, it was real bad to watch.

Schafer is a gamer, although he seems to come from the club of fighters who flinch and look far to scared when getting hit, much like Jason Mcdonald and that fighter D likes...  ;D

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Re: UFC Thread
« Reply #103 on: July 21, 2009, 04:51:18 pm »
Although it hasn't been confirmed by UFC yet, word is the Henderson/Franklin match is taking place at Light-Heavyweight this time. Who knows how much it could change the fight from the previous but I definatly think this one will be the better of the two.
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« Reply #104 on: July 21, 2009, 04:57:44 pm »
Although it hasn't been confirmed by UFC yet, word is the Henderson/Franklin match is taking place at Light-Heavyweight this time. Who knows how much it could change the fight from the previous but I definatly think this one will be the better of the two.
Henderson via TKO just so he can laugh at killing off Franklin's chances in two divisions.   :D  Seriously though Henderson for the win.

Really though while Hendo waits for a shot he should be paired up with someone else at Middleweight, though I guess they wanted a "Main Event" caliber fight.

Former WEC light heavyweight champions Steve Cantwell (6-2) and Brian Stann (6-2) will duke it out in a rubbermatch inside the Octagon at UFC Fight Night 19 from the Cox Convention Center in Oklahoma City, Okla., on Sept. 16.

The 205-pound match up, which was originally supposed to take place back in Dec. 2008, was today confirmed by the promotion.

Stann — a former Marine who earned a Silver Star for valor while serving his country in Iraq — defeated Doug Marshall early last year to capture the WEC title. However, his reign atop the weight class was short lived (just five months later) thanks to Cantwell and a second round technical knockout.

In the process, Cantwell avenged the first loss of his career to the “All American” back in early 2007. He rebounded after the loss with a three-fight win streak, stopping all of his opponents to earn another shot at Stann.

Stann and Cantwell were brought over to the UFC when the WEC eliminated its heavier divisions in late 2009.

Both fighters have struggled a bit with the transition — Stann dropped his Octagon debut to Krzysztof Soszynski via first round submission (kimura) at UFC 97 earlier this year. And Cantwell dropped a lopsided unanimous to Luis Arthur Cane on the same card; however, “Robot” did win his debut with a first round submission (armbar) over Razak Al-Hassan at UFC Fight For The Troops in Dec. 2008.

UFC Fight Night 19 features a main event between TUF 5 winner Nate Diaz tangling with Melvin “The Young Assassin” Guillard. It is also expected to feature a lightweight rumble between Roger “El Matador” Huerta and Gray “The Bully” Maynard.

It will serve as the lead-in for the upcoming tenth season of TUF, which features Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson and a solid collection of 15 other heavyweight fighters competing in a tournament-style format to earn one “six-figure contract.”


The way UFC cuts guys this could be a "Pink slip on a pole match"  :P