UFC Thread

[Hammy]

People can put anyone down I see the....

Herring is crap, Couture is a past it old man and Mir ain't been right since his accident he only beat Brock cos he had **** all experience and Nog because Nog didn't show up.

Thats how many see Brock.

But it can happen with Fedor, like Ragu said Fedor beat Cro Cop and Nog when they were still relevant.  And we keep saying Arlovski has a glass jaw but at the end of the day when anyone gets hit on the chin like he does they go down and he did run through Sylvia when Sylvia was in shape.  But fans want him in the UFC for obvious reasons, people truly want to know who the best is and so they should.  Its a shame when one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time has never been in the biggest promotion, its like the fact Sting has never been in WWE (Not to say Sting is the best of all time but its the same principal)

[Hammy]

Frank Mir says Brock Lesnar embarrassed his sport -- and embarrassed Mir's children -- by going on a tirade of spit and trash-talking after beating Mir at Saturday's UFC 100.

Mir is already planning to train for a "rubber match" rematch.

And Mir is not impressed that Lesnar later apologized for being a sore winner, since he did so only after UFC head Dana White scolded him for vamping like a WWE wrestler.

Mir tells me: "That's like: You steal a guy's bike, your dad kicks your ass, and then you apologize only because your dad kicked your ass. How genuine is that?"

"I don't buy it," Mir said Sunday, after I called the Vegas native and informed him of Lesnar's apology.

At issue: The UFC is a brutal but gentlemanly sport. Yes, guys pin each other down in a sort of missionary position, then rain down furious fists on bloody faces.

But White, fans and media want winners and losers to be good sports. Usually, they are, since respect is a Zen code in mixed martial arts.

Lesnar, who went from top college wrestler to WWE wrestler to UFC heavyweight champ, broke that code from start to finish.

Lesnar, 32, went into the match with a grudge. Mir, 30, had beat Lesnar in February 2008. On Saturday, Lesnar wouldn't tap gloves with Mir before the bout. That's disrespectful, though Mir calls it "no big deal."

Lesnar beat Mir in two rounds, and Mir gives him props. ("No complaints.")

But once the referee stopped the fight, Lesnar yelled in Mir's bloody face.

"When I stood up, and he's screaming, it took me a few seconds to realize" what Lesnar was doing, Mir says.

Lesnar spit out his mouth guard at a camera. He flipped two birds at the booing crowd. Microphone in hand, he said he wouldn't drink the UFC-sponsored beer because it hadn't paid him money (Lesnar got $3 million for the fight); and he said he'd torn a lucky "horseshoe" out of Mir's butt and "beat the hell out of him with it" (metaphors).

Mir went to a room and saw TV recaps with his kids.

"ESPN showed him spitting and hollering. My children are looking," Mir says. "I'm shaking my head, pointing at my kids and going, 'That's not how you want to do it, guys.'"

Normally, Mir's kids see their dad and his training partner exchange blows but afterward they hug it out.

"They see it as harmless. When it's over, it's over," Mir says. "We're all warriors. Well, some of us are."

Mir reiterates the code of mixed martial arts:

"We'll be cocky," especially before a fight, to help sell it. "If you ever heard any speeches (Bruce Lee) gave, he was a smart ass (before a fight). But at the end of a competition, he would be respectful."

Post-fight, White chided Lesnar privately. Then Lesnar went to a news conference and apologized for being a bad sport, for demeaning the beer sponsor, and for bringing WWE showbiz into the UFC.

"I was so jacked up," Lesnar explained. "The only thing I had against Frank was he beat me" in their previous match.

The apology didn't come fast enough to stop media from painting Lesnar as a super villain of sports.

Some UFC fans previously thought Mir engaged in too much pre-fight trash talk. But Mir says when he beat Lesnar in 2008, he behaved with class.

"I didn't degrade him and say he was an idiot," Mir says. "There was no point to kick the guy while he was down.

"OK, I beat the guy. What, am I going to spit on you, too?"

Mir underestimated Lesnar's weight advantage.

The top-heavy Lesnar is an inch taller, with an arm reach of two inches longer. More important, he had 20 pounds on Mir's lean, 245-pound frame.

"I didn't think it would matter that much," Mir says of Lesnar's heft. (Mir had beefed up with weights, dumbbells, a lot of high reps, cardio and attribute balancing.)

Mir wrongly assumed Lesnar's game plan. Lesnar had trash-talked Mir's standup fight game, so Mir thought Lesnar would fight in standing positions. Not so.

"When he didn't come after me, that really threw me off," Mir says. "He didn't land any punches on his feet, did he?

"I didn't expect him to run," Mir says. "He ran like a lightweight. ... It's my fault. I should have trained that he would be intimidated from the standup" fighting position.

Instead, Lesnar went for pinning Mir on the ground and punching him in the face. Mir knows he got "rocked pretty hard in the first round."

Mir didn't want to lose round two the same way. So he came out swinging and kicking. Lesnar back peddled to avoid hits.

"When I chased him, that's what changed my game plan," Mir says. But, "I basically was (within) a half-an-inch of catching him."

Mir threw a "Joe Frasier" hook, barely grazing Lesnar, he says. Mir caught Lesnar with a knee and elbow, but Lesnar spun away.

In the end, Mir couldn't stop Lesnar from trapping him on the ground, pinning his hands and punching Mir in the face until the fight was stopped.

"I knew he was hurt, but he had good leverage, with my shoulder against the cage," Mir says.

"I made a stupid mistake," Mir says, while saying "my hat's off" to Lesnar and his coaching staff for executing a winning game plan.

"I have a huge lump on my ear where he hit me."

Mir is eager for a rematch. He'd have to beat other fighters to earn another bout with the champ in a year or 18 months, he says.

On Sunday, he felt he'd slept only 20 minutes, pacing through the day, calling his trainer and insisting on getting back to training, doing power lifting to boost his weight and close in on Lesnar.

"If I can just nail that gap to even 10 pounds, it'll be a different fight next time," Mir says.

"Hopefully next time, I'll show him how somebody is supposed to act in victory."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/50615222.html

I hope he does get a few wins and the rematch (and win), with Mir being my fave fighter I'd love him to surprise everyone again!

[timothy]

Never have liked the whole be respectfull even if you don't mean it seems to **** fake too me. If you don't like the guy then **** him.

[Hammy]

The money...

Brock Lesnar — $400,000 (No win bonus)
Frank Mir — $45,000
Lesnar defeated Mir via technical knockout (strikes) in round two

Georges St. Pierre — $400,000 ($200,000 to show, $200,000 to win)
Thiago Alves — $60,000
St. Pierre defeated Alves via unanimous decision

Dan Henderson — $250,000 ($100,000 to show, $150,000 to win)
Michael Bisping — $150,000
Henderson defeated Bisping via knockout (punch) in round two

Yoshihiro Akiyama — $60,000 ($40,000 to show, $20,000 to win)
Alan Belcher — $19,000
Akiyama defeated Belcher via split decision

Mark Coleman — $100,000 ($50,000 to show, $50,000 to win)
Stephan Bonnar — $25,000
Coleman defeated Bonnar via unanimous decision

Jim Miller — $22,000 ($11,000 to show, $11,000 to win)
Mac Danzig — $20,000
Miller defeated Danzig via unanimous decision

Jon Jones — $18,000 ($9,000 to show, $9,000 to win)
Jake O’Brien — $7,000
Jones defeated O’Brien via submission (guillotine choke) in round two

Dong Hyun Kim — $58,000 ($29,000 to show, $29,000 to win)
TJ Grant — $5,000
Kim defeated Grant via unanimous decision

Tom Lawlor — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
CB Dolloway — $14,000
Lawlor defeated Dolloway via submission (guillotine choke) in round one

Shannon Gugerty — $10,000 ($5,000 to show, $5,000 to win)
Matt Grice — $7,000
Gugerty defeated Grice via submission (guillotine choke) in round one

Jon Fitch — $90,000 ($45,000 to show, $45,000 to win)
Paulo Thiago — $8,000
Fitch defeated Thiago via unanimous decision

It doesn't include the bonuses though of $100,000 to Lawlor (Sub of the night), Henderson (KO of the night) and Belcher & Akiyama (Fight of the Night)

[Hammy]

Debuts: September 16th 2009

Coaches
Rashad Evans
Quinton Jackson

Fighters
Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson
Zak Jensen
Marcus Jones
Scott Junk
Jon Madsen
James McSweeny
Matt Mitrione
Roy Nelson
Demico Rogers
Brendan Schaub
Darrill Schoonover
Wes Shivers
Wes Sims
Abe Wagner
Justin Wren
Mike Wessel

Some really interesting stuff to look forward to this season.  The tension between Rampage and Evans should be enjoyable, watching Dana White's video blog from UFC 100 they kicked off and Royce Gracie had to pull them apart  

Kimbo is there for the ratings, we all know that, his only chance of winning is if there are some really poor fighters on, lucky for him there are.  Brit James McSweeny is not one of our best prospects, 3-4 with losses to Neil Grove and Al-Turk.  Wes Sims has the interesting backstory of being the guy who fought Frank Mir twice, getting DQ'd the first time because he had a moment of madness and thought he was in Japan.  A few other one time UFC fighters who failed like Wessel and Junk are thrown in for good major as well as some former American Footballers, you really do get the idea sometimes there aren't that many Heavyweights out there considering the caliber of some of the people chosen.  Roy Nelson has to be an early favourite, I'm surprised he has to go through a show like this, he is good enough to get a contract now.  I remember when I scanned the profiles at sherdog.com there are also some young unbeaten prospects in there who obviously have a good chance of winning, being unknown guys, they may be pretty damn good.

http://www.spike.com/video/ultimate-fighter/3202907

http://www.spike.com/video/ultimate-fighter/3204435

[Ragu]

smart money is on big country. and just for the haters i hope kimbo wins ac ouple

[Hammy]

smart money is on big country. and just for the haters i hope kimbo wins ac ouple

Yeah, I'd love to see those 2 square off in the final. 

[D]

Every one knows my stance on Kimbo

[timothy]

You have got to be shitting me. Kimbo " The Bum"Slice on Ultimate fighter? Jesus !

[D]

Dana the hypocrite White selling out MMA for a buck

Never thought I'd see the day

[Rankin]

Very suprised at the low figure for Mir.

Anyway perhaps the highlight of UFC 100 for me, for the only time ever - Bruce Buffer does the Buffer 360!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/joerogandotnet?blend=1&ob=4

Brilliant!

[Hammy]

Don't see the big issue.

He is a smart business man, Kimbo is money and he is using him in the best possible way, forcing Kimbo to prove himself, if Kimbo fails, he still got good ratings and if by some miracle Kimbo wins the show, great news all round.  Dana said ages ago this show would be Kimbo's only way into the UFC, the only thing that does seem a bit unfair is the trailers heavily feature Kimbo, which is a bit disrespectful to the other fighters, but still understandable, the dude is the draw.

[D]

Don't like it

It isn't like the UFC are some fledgling Company that needs a circus side show for ratings.

This guy fought in fixed fights. was a scam and a fraud and it taints the UFC. Especially how Dana is hyping him just under Rampage and Rashad.

its just ridiculous

[D]

Just saw this on their Twitters. They made up and are no longer enemies.

Tito is still the second greatest draw in UFC history behind only Brock Lesnar now.

So I think with his back being 100 percent he'd be great in the UFC

U have to understand something, Tito had MAJOR back surgery which means for the last few years he hasnt been able to train properly, he hasn't been as strong or explosive.

Being 100 percent will finally allow him to be his best in the octagon. Now will he be a champ again? I don't know but I do know at less than 100 percent he beat Forrest, he beat/tied Rashad and at least took Machida to a decision.

[Hammy]

Haha the fanboy is back. 

As I've said before, Griffin was very green when he eeked out that split decision.  Evans is much improved since their tussle and he went to a decision with Machida in a time when every Machida fight was going the distance, apart from a 20 second moment of greatness with that triangle he got pwn'd for 3 rounds.  He won't be champion again in the UFC.  I'd like to see him return and do well but I think he'll struggle, I do want him to fight though so at least I'm proved right, he just seems to be a walking excuse, nobody goes into a fight a 100%, Tito is one of the worst offenders for, well I had this problem and that problem etc. and so on.